Ryanair, more flim flammery.

callum9999

NFH wrote: »

I support enforcement of size limits on cabin baggage. Although Ryanair's size limit is lower than the IATA guidelines, most popular cabin baggage (Samsonsite etc) nevertheless complies with it. Some people are stupid and try to take suitcases as cabin baggage. However, I don't agree with the weight limit, which is not related to safety, otherwise all airlines would have this same 10kg limit. Easyjet has no limit and British Airways has a 23kg limit.

If I weigh 70kg and have 15kg in my 55x40x20cm case, why should I be a problem whereas the next guy who weighs 100kg and has 10kg in a 55x40x20cm case is not a problem?

Because Ryanair has no idea that you weigh 70kg but the guy next to you weighs 100kg... I don't doubt if there was a feasible way of charging fat/heavy people extra that they would do it (some tiny airlines do it, trying to do it on Ryanair's 1500 flights a day - not so easy!).

Though it's unlike you to call people stupid for not complying with Ryanair's rules (the size dimensions have very little to do with safety either) - have you had a stroke or something!? In fact, I'd go as far as to say a 20x20x20 bag weighing 30kg falling on someones head is a far bigger safety risk than a 50x50x50 bag weighing 10kg!

phatbear

NFH wrote: »

More relevantly I first mentioned Easyjet's unlimited allowance, but you only partially quoted me. See what I wrote above.

Oh i see so if you make two statements the primary one should be taken into consideration and the secondary is less important, especially if the secondary statement later highlights that you really havent got much of an argument.

I really must remember to use this theory next time im in court

NFH

callum9999 wrote: »

Because Ryanair has no idea that you weigh 70kg but the guy next to you weighs 100kg... I don't doubt if there was a feasible way of charging fat/heavy people extra that they would do it (some tiny airlines do it, trying to do it on Ryanair's 1500 flights a day - not so easy!).

Given that they can't weigh passengers or what passengers put in their pockets, they shouldn't weigh the cabin baggage either. Ryanair are simply going for the easy target (cabin baggage), because they can easily make extra money out of it, not because of the extra cost of fuel or safety reasons.

callum9999 wrote: »

Though it's unlike you to call people stupid for not complying with Ryanair's rules (the size dimensions have very little to do with safety either)

All airlines have a size limit. Ryanair's isn't much different from other airlines, so I don't have a problem with it (unlike Wizz or some charter airlines). However, the weight issue is very different.

Bob_the_Saver

I love the though of all those women in particular queuing to be weighed like prize cows in front of a whole plane full of passengers
in Stansted.

callum9999

NFH wrote: »

Given that they can't weigh passengers or what passengers put in their pockets, they shouldn't weigh the cabin baggage either. Ryanair are simply going for the easy target (cabin baggage), because they can easily make extra money out of it, not because of the extra cost of fuel or safety reasons.


All airlines have a size limit. Ryanair's isn't much different from other airlines, so I don't have a problem with it (unlike Wizz or some charter airlines). However, the weight issue is very different.

When have Ryanair ever said it was a safety issue (how could it possibly be?) or to cover the extra fuel? They are a private business - they can put a surcharge on wearing red clothes if they wanted to without having to justify it to you! And I don't see the logic in the "if they can't do it all, do nothing" argument at all.

Where is the logic in your belief that every airline should handle baggage the same way? The only plus I see is lazy consumers don't get caught out - yet you've already shown that you don't care if they get caught out by bringing a bag that's too big so that can't be the reason?

NFH

callum9999 wrote: »

When have Ryanair ever said it was a safety issue (how could it possibly be?) or to cover the extra fuel?

I'm not aware that they have. But this was suggested in post 23 above, which is why I negated it.

callum9999 wrote: »

Where is the logic in your belief that every airline should handle baggage the same way?

The European Commission is considering imposing a minimum size for cabin baggage (included in the price of the ticket) across the EU. The variance between airlines on cabin baggage allowances is not justified and serves only to distort competition because it is used primarily as a means of increasing revenue above headline fares.

callum9999

NFH wrote: »

I'm not aware that they have. But this was suggested in post 23 above, which is why I negated it.


The European Commission is considering imposing a minimum size for cabin baggage (included in the price of the ticket) across the EU. The variance between airlines on cabin baggage allowances is not justified and serves only to distort competition because it is used primarily as a means of increasing revenue above headline fares.

I said logic. Despite being an enormous supporter of the EU, I don't think them interfering in something like this could ever be proof of logic!

It is wholly justified as they are fully private businesses. While I probably come across as a staunch capitalist on here, I actually just want consistency. Either the airlines should be free to do pretty much whatever they want (subject to normal fair trade and safety rules every business has to follow) or just get it over with and get rid of them all and replace it with one government run EU airline.

NFH

callum9999 wrote: »

I said logic.

NFH wrote: »

The variance between airlines on cabin baggage allowances is not justified and serves only to distort competition because it is used primarily as a means of increasing revenue above headline fares.

That is logic. What more do you want?

callum9999

NFH wrote: »

That is logic. What more do you want?

Well perhaps I should rephrase that then. Leaving aside your claim that it "distorts competition" (which in fact this proposed legislation does far more by removing an area they currently compete in), where is the logic in forcing private airlines to make this aspect of their product identical whereas there is no need to do it for the rest of their product? Why not add in minimum hold luggage allowances? Minimum number of free drinks? Minimum amount of free food? Minimum comfort levels?

What I'm getting at, is why should private companies be forced to provide any level of service that isn't necessary for safety or consumer protection reasons? And please don't start ranting about how people are being ripped off or whatever - all airlines list the dimensions and weight allowances on their website. If you choose not to look it up then it's your own fault.

NFH

callum9999 wrote: »

where is the logic in forcing private airlines to make this aspect of their product identical whereas there is no need to do it for the rest of their product? Why not add in minimum hold luggage allowances? Minimum number of free drinks? Minimum amount of free food? Minimum comfort levels?

All the other items you mention cost the airline money. The size and weight of the cabin baggage does not. Some airlines impose unreasonable limits in order to force passengers to pay to check their cabin baggage into the hold, either at the time of booking or even worse at the gate. It's all about generating additional revenue that is unrelated to cost on top of the headline fare (just like they did with card surcharges). The passenger, not the airline, handles their own cabin baggage, and it is therefore unreasonable for the airline to attempt to generate additional revenue from cabin baggage of a reasonable size and weight. For this reason, the European Commission is considering standardising cabin baggage allowances.