What LAW requires a Man or woman to submit a tax return?

JohnUKB

What law is it that forces any man or woman to submit a tax return?

I've asked the HMRC but they cannot tell me

grey_gym_sock

i don't think failing to submit a return is an offence, nor is a court likely to order you to submit the return.

the obvious disadvantages of not submitting 1 are (a) HMRC can charge you various penalties for late or non-submission (b) HMRC can raise their own assessment of what tax you owe, and this tends to be a high estimate if they have no solid information to go on.

you can appeal against (a), but need to show you had a reasonable excuse for late submission. and you can appeal against (b), but will need to provide evidence of your actual income - it would have been much less trouble to submit the return in the first place, as then your figures are less likely to be scrutinized.

if fines and assessments are unpaid, they can be passed to debt collection agencies, just like any other debts.

j-josie

S7 Taxes Management Act 1970 requires an individual to notify HMRC of liability to tax...and that's done via a tax return
The wording is..
S7:
(1)Every person who is chargeable to income tax for any year of assessment and who has not delivered a return of his profits or gains or his total income for that year in accordance with the provisions of the Income Tax Acts shall, not later than one year after the end of that year of assessment, give notice that he is so chargeable.
And

(3)If any person fails to give a notice which he is required to give under this section he shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding £100.

j-josie

Oh..and S8 of the same act says

(1)Any person may be required by a notice given to him by an inspector or other officer of the Board to deliver to the officer within the time limited by the notice a return of his income, computed in accordance with the Income Tax Acts and specifying each separate source of income and the amount from each source.

(Can't quite believe I am reading the Taxes Act at this time of the night...:p. Time for a sleep, methinks...)

antrobus

JohnUKB wrote: »

What law is it that forces any man or woman to submit a tax return?..

That would be s8 Taxes Management Act 1970.

Any person may be required by a notice given to him by an inspector or other officer of the Board to deliver to the officer within the time limited by the notice a return of his income, computed in accordance with the Income Tax Acts and specifying each separate source of income and the amount from each source.

And so forth.

Edit: Yes I know, someone beat me to it.

JohnUKB

Does a debt require one party to have suffered a loss? I understand it does as no harm/loss there is no claim to answer or is that not the case?.

I understand anyone can charge anything, such as private car parks, supermarkets, motorway services, airports ALL charging via a notice, I saw on watchdog that these are not worth the paper its written on and are not enforceable debts.

so in summery if there is no law forcing us to do things then there is no power to charge someone for not doing what they demand.

So I will stay within the law and NOT submit unless they produce evidence that I have to do what they say.

thanks

JohnUKB

antrobus wrote: »

That would be s8 Taxes Management Act 1970.

Any person may be required by a notice given to him by an inspector or other officer of the Board to deliver to the officer within the time limited by the notice a return of his income, computed in accordance with the Income Tax Acts and specifying each separate source of income and the amount from each source.

And so forth.

There no mention of a man or women in that act, I've looked at the act in depth but they ONLY ever speak about the person, so I looked at the Interpretation of the world within the Interpretation Act 1978 c30 SCHEDULE 1.. which definition "PERSON" as a body of persons corporate, It never mentioned a man or woman.

So if ALL acts ONLY act upon the person, and an ACT is (Legislative rule of society given the force of a law by the consent of the governed)

Do we all consent when we say/agree to being the person/name we are given after we are b and if this is a contract as such then surly we should be notified of such contracts that are there by consent.

I just can't recall ever being asked if I consent or not.

antrobus

JohnUKB wrote: »

...So I will stay within the law and NOT submit unless they produce evidence that I have to do what they say....

If HMRC send you a tax return, I would advise you to complete the return and submit it to HMRC. Failure to do so would lead to penalties being imposed, estimated assessments being issued etc. Ultimately HMRC can and will make you bankrupt.

You can spout all the FMOTL bs that you like, but it won't do you the slightest bit of good.

dzug1

Wonder if OP has been released into care in the community?

His last series of postings a couple of years back were distinctly troll like. Best not feed him.

antrobus

JohnUKB wrote: »

There no mention of a man or women in that act, I've looked at the act in depth but they ONLY ever speak about the person, so I looked at the Interpretation of the world within the Interpretation Act 1978 c30 SCHEDULE 1.. which definition "PERSON" as a body of persons corporate, It never mentioned a man or woman.

So if ALL acts ONLY act upon the person, and an ACT is (Legislative rule of society given the force of a law by the consent of the governed)

Do we all consent when we say/agree to being the person/name we are given after we are b and if this is a contract as such then surly we should be notified of such contracts that are there by consent.

I just can't recall ever being asked if I consent or not.

That is complete and utter FMOTL bs.

Thrugelmir

JohnUKB wrote: »

So I will stay within the law and NOT submit unless they produce evidence that I have to do what they say.

Stick you fingers up. However don't expect empathy when you get penalised. Self assessment has been around for enough years. So penalties for non filing will be enforced. There's no excuse.


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