What LAW requires a Man or woman to submit a tax return?

grey_gym_sock

C_Mababejive wrote: »

It has more to do with the fact that they have no choice since most of the rest of the land is claimed to be owned by other factions.

my point was: anybody in the UK who wants to live on a larger piece of land, and perhaps to own it, too, could typically achieve that, for the same cost as where they live now, by moving to a more rural area.

most ppl prefer to live in towns, for a variety of reasons.

by living in towns, we are, pretty much by definition, going to be occupying a small proportion of the total land area in the UK.

i'd agree that rural land ownership is too concentrated. this is relevant to land use, and access to land; but less relevant as potential homes for most of us.

martinsurrey

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Answer..I was not born free. I was born into slavery.

Wow, just wow.

To equate the situation you are in to slavery shows just how ignorant and idiotic your arguments are.

I suggest you take a step back from your tin foil hat theories and realise that on a global and historical scale you are one of the most well off people who have ever lived, even the poorest people in the UK are blessed in comparison to historical and current global standards.

Anselm

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Of course we have to start with which doctrine of FMOTL we are to address and discuss.

I am not talking about the FMOTL doctrine which relates to acceptance of the law and whether it is a contract or not.

Well thanks for making your argument clearer...

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Of course society must have agreements which are hopefully binding otherwise anarchy would prevail and those who are strong would overpower the weak.

Yes, I would agree. However, for FMOTL to assert that it's a contract and that you can rescind the contract is nonsense. It's not a contract in a legal sense, so entering "lawful rebellion" is pointless.

C_Mababejive wrote: »

My own personal doctrine of FMOTL relates more to the unfair distribution and stewardship of land and natural resources and the enslavement of ordinary people in the capitalist system for the greater benefit of the few.

My doctrine may not align with other FMOTL doctrines and maybe i am just borrowing the FMOTL moniker because it aptly describes my broad theories and beliefs.

Yes, I think you are using the moniker and so other people are conflating two issues trying to understand your argument.

C_Mababejive wrote: »

And so the land thieves and robber barons will say that their way is valid and others will says that another way is valid. Who is to say? Well i guess in a democratic and free society,the majority would decide but then we have neither a free nor a democratic society. We just have one that is more free and democratic than others.
As an example,when last listed the Duke Of Buccleuch claimed ownership of 268,000 Acres of Scotland. Thats 430 square miles
How did he come to claim ownership of it?
Well simply, Charles II created the peerage for his illegitimate son James Scott the first Duke of Monmouth.Lands were seized and sequestrated and these just flowed down the lineage by inheritence.
Did you know that 90% of the UK populace lives on only 5% of the available land?

I don't see the relevance of this point. The land was a gift.

RichardD1970

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Answer..I was not born free. I was born into slavery.

Ok, born, possibly in hospital, if not then at least a midwife would have been involved. As well as all the antenatal and post natal care.

Educated (?) for, lets say 10 years.

Use of Doctors, nurses, police, fire service, ambulance service, road network, street lighting, and a myriad of other facilities and service.

Now, lets see, how is all this going to be paid for?

What are your suggestions? I am truly intrigued.

JohnUKB

a very interesting debate but there is still no way ANY public servant can FORCE anyone to pay tax unless they are contracted to do so by signing a contract which is also countersigned by any other parties within the contract terms and conditions.

.... UNLESS we live in a dictatorship then the answer is they can force you by threats of prison, smashing your face in or killing you if you don't...

So are we FREE unless we harm another or are we slaves... this is all it boils down to in simple terms... YOU DECIDE.....


I see it clearly and we are all being deceived under an illusion a deception that started many years ago under the guise of protecting us from invaders... ONLY now its protection from naughty terrorists... that clearly were created for that very treason... its a shame most people live in a level of ignorance that is unbelievable... to them so they want to think and keep thinking they are FREE...


even the mainstream is now trying to wake people up... WHY?? to cause a revolution of sorts to enable the transition into a New World Order ..

People with savings in the bank are thinking no no no way..... well just wait till they take that from you then there is no one left to help stop this enslavement under the money supply which is an illusion of value anyway.


Mind control of the highest degree and no one realises it .. OK I have tried for the past five years to help raise awayness no im off to retire in a sunny climate and watch it all collapse... Ill be fine as I have no need for money any more... I'm self reliant in the sunny climate of a tropical country, that will do me for the last 20-30 years I have left...

bye bye all you slaves who think they are FREE and all you FREE MEN who follow others and think you can change the world to the better way... the people need to realise this and alas their ignorance is against them... peace and love to all and see you on he other side ......

JohnUKB

RichardD1970 wrote: »

Ok, born, possibly in hospital, if not then at least a midwife would have been involved. As well as all the antenatal and post natal care.

Educated (?) for, lets say 10 years.

Use of Doctors, nurses, police, fire service, ambulance service, road network, street lighting, and a myriad of other facilities and service.

Now, lets see, how is all this going to be paid for?

What are your suggestions? I am truly intrigued.

Every Legal fiction that is created after a Birth is valued at around £50 million which is taken for the use of the country, THIS is how everything is paid for while the country is broke, we are the collateral, this is why they run a census and raise the finance in our names and we get the benefit of this (or we used to man many years ago). this is how things are done to look after us, how healthcare was created as they need healthy slaves if we are going to pay the tax top pay off the interested added to the debt by the banks.



this has gone of for many generations and no one took any notice of this deception but he rich land owners


Wait till all the banks need bailing out with more debt and the sheep cry for the solution.... which is ...

THE NEW WORLD ORDER

Esoog

JohnUKB wrote: »

a very interesting debate but there is still no way ANY public servant can FORCE anyone to pay tax unless they are contracted to do so by signing a contract which is also countersigned by any other parties within the contract terms and conditions.

.... UNLESS we live in a dictatorship then the answer is they can force you by threats of prison, smashing your face in or killing you if you don't...

So are we FREE unless we harm another or are we slaves... this is all it boils down to in simple terms... YOU DECIDE.....


I see it clearly and we are all being deceived under an illusion a deception that started many years ago under the guise of protecting us from invaders... ONLY now its protection from naughty terrorists... that clearly were created for that very treason... its a shame most people live in a level of ignorance that is unbelievable... to them so they want to think and keep thinking they are FREE...


even the mainstream is now trying to wake people up... WHY?? to cause a revolution of sorts to enable the transition into a New World Order ..

People with savings in the bank are thinking no no no way..... well just wait till they take that from you then there is no one left to help stop this enslavement under the money supply which is an illusion of value anyway.


Mind control of the highest degree and no one realises it .. OK I have tried for the past five years to help raise awayness no im off to retire in a sunny climate and watch it all collapse... Ill be fine as I have no need for money any more... I'm self reliant in the sunny climate of a tropical country, that will do me for the last 20-30 years I have left...

bye bye all you slaves who think they are FREE and all you FREE MEN who follow others and think you can change the world to the better way... the people need to realise this and alas their ignorance is against them... peace and love to all and see you on he other side ......

ah, the "new world order", colours well and truely revealed. 9/11 inside job, jews are lizards, 7/7 set up (those poor boys), moon landings fake, Obama is a muslim, etc etc

zzzzzz.

By the way, check out my ebay shop, I do a great discount in tin foil and dodgy rocks designed to dispell chemtrails

JohnUKB

grey_gym_sock wrote: »

my point was: anybody in the UK who wants to live on a larger piece of land, and perhaps to own it, too, could typically achieve that, for the same cost as where they live now, by moving to a more rural area.

most ppl prefer to live in towns, for a variety of reasons.

by living in towns, we are, pretty much by definition, going to be occupying a small proportion of the total land area in the UK.

I'd agree that rural land ownership is too concentrated. this is relevant to land use, and access to land; but less relevant as potential homes for most of us.

Man cannot OWN Land... its not ours to own and the crown holds titles which we REGISTER our interest to these titles.

If we owned the land then it could not be taken away when seen fit to do so by the Crown & Government which enslaves us.

LATIN Translation--
Govern= To Control & Mentis = Mind

So Govern-ment is ????


So who out there supports Mind Control.... do you live being control by those who live off your backs and your hard labour...

time to take charge of this system that is NOT there for us,, its t here for the 1% who will enslave us for ever under a New World Order and those who think it won't be them need to know if they are not in the right bloodline and have 500-1000 million in the bank then you are among the 99% who will loose it all and brought into line with the rest of the drones who will accept this new world order :rotfl:

JohnUKB

Esoog wrote: »

ah, the "new world order", colours well and truely revealed. 9/11 inside job, jews are lizards, 7/7 set up (those poor boys), moon landings fake, Obama is a muslim, etc etc

zzzzzz.

By the way, check out my ebay shop, I do a great discount in tin foil and dodgy rocks designed to dispell chemtrails

Tell that to the people in government who are all talking about it son....

You listed some things there that are untrue and I do not believe in them as its what's called disinformation which is put out to make people who are seeking the truth look nuts of they repeat this crap ..

but the New world order is true and fact as admired by many politics so go tell them they are nuts ,,

as for the rest there is loads of evidence to suggest we need an investigation but that's it... why would we need to investigate what has already been documented by government.. so for people like you, which are the main problem where people cannot see the wood for the trees..

So stop being a silly little boy and get some educations as to the facts before you go insulting people

Esoog

JohnUKB wrote: »

Tell that to the people in government who are all talking about it son....

You listed some things there that are untrue and I do not believe in them as its what's called disinformation which is put out to make people who are seeking the truth look nuts of they repeat this crap ..

but the New world order is true and fact as admired by many politics so go tell them they are nuts ,,

as for the rest there is loads of evidence to suggest we need an investigation but that's it... why would we need to investigate what has already been documented by government.. so for people like you, which are the main problem where people cannot see the wood for the trees..

So stop being a silly little boy and get some educations as to the facts before you go insulting people

Firstly my friend, I didn't actually insult you You appear to have taken my comments as an insult. Does this mean you don't want any tin foil? I can combine P&P? ;(

I do know a bit about the NWO, hey look, there's a load about it on David Icke's website, why does the Son of God need a website?

Anyway, good old Gordon Brown harped on about it a few times, popular and influential man he was. Armadinnerjacket has mentioned it too fairly recently, maybe him and Icke are friends?

By the way, if you're off to a Sunny tropical land, or are already there, why are you asking about our taxes? ;]

I recommend the BVI, very nice it is. Low tax rate too!