What LAW requires a Man or woman to submit a tax return?

RuthnJasper

JohnUKB wrote: »

I can envisage you all walking to the gas chambers arguing who goes first

You need help, my friend. Hope you get it.

C_Mababejive

Anselm wrote: »

So if you're not a practitioner, why make the assertion that they are valid.

Talking about natural law is disingenuous, are you talking about Natural Law moral theory, or Natural law legal theory? Or do you mean the Laws of Nature which aren't to do with Natural law theory?

Of course we have to start with which doctrine of FMOTL we are to address and discuss.

I am not talking about the FMOTL doctrine which relates to acceptance of the law and whether it is a contract or not.

Of course society must have agreements which are hopefully binding otherwise anarchy would prevail and those who are strong would overpower the weak.

My own personal doctrine of FMOTL relates more to the unfair distribution and stewardship of land and natural resources and the enslavement of ordinary people in the capitalist system for the greater benefit of the few.

My doctrine may not align with other FMOTL doctrines and maybe i am just borrowing the FMOTL moniker because it aptly describes my broad theories and beliefs.

And so the land thieves and robber barons will say that their way is valid and others will says that another way is valid. Who is to say? Well i guess in a democratic and free society,the majority would decide but then we have neither a free nor a democratic society. We just have one that is more free and democratic than others.

As an example,when last listed the Duke Of Buccleuch claimed ownership of 268,000 Acres of Scotland. Thats 430 square miles.

How did he come to claim ownership of it?

Well simply, Charles II created the peerage for his illegitimate son James Scott the first Duke of Monmouth.Lands were seized and sequestrated and these just flowed down the lineage by inheritence.

Did you know that 90% of the UK populace lives on only 5% of the available land?

Thrugelmir

JohnUKB wrote: »

I can envisage you all walking to the gas chambers arguing who goes first

Rather tasteless.

Though like you the unfortunate had no idea as to the fate that awaited them.

agrinnall

anselld wrote: »

Are you two related??...
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4526599

That was exactly the thread that came to my mind when I saw the title of this one. I'm expecting more amusement from these two.

grey_gym_sock

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Did you know that 90% of the UK populace lives on only 5% of the available land?

perhaps because most ppl in the UK live in towns.

olly300

In the legal jurisdictions of the UK common law is often used.

A lay person which includes the majority of staff at HMRC wouldn't know which specific piece of common law requires you to pay taxes. However a tax lawyer, professor of law specialising in tax and a member of HMRC's legal team would give you the relevant cases.

This for example is why people often say there is no legal reason for a person to pay more tax than what they owe to explain why avoidance is legal and evasion is illegal.

Or to put it another way if you don't submit your tax return, don't pay the fines and don't pay the tax you owe, HMRC can decide 10 years down the line you owe x amount plus the interest and fines due to the inaccurate information they hold on you. They can then come into your home, seize anything they think your records are stored on and take you to court for tax evasion.

meer53

I don't submit a tax return. I still pay tax. Where does that leave me ? Do i have a case for a refund for the last 40 years worth ?:eek:

grey_gym_sock

meer53 wrote: »

I don't submit a tax return. I still pay tax. Where does that leave me ? Do i have a case for a refund for the last 40 years worth ?:eek:

yes, naturally. but you'll also have to pay fines for all the returns you've failed to submit, plus compound interest. so it will probably all cancel out

C_Mababejive

grey_gym_sock wrote: »

perhaps because most ppl in the UK live in towns.

It has more to do with the fact that they have no choice since most of the rest of the land is claimed to be owned by other factions.

C_Mababejive

olly300 wrote: »

In the legal jurisdictions of the UK common law is often used.

A lay person which includes the majority of staff at HMRC wouldn't know which specific piece of common law requires you to pay taxes. However a tax lawyer, professor of law specialising in tax and a member of HMRC's legal team would give you the relevant cases.

This for example is why people often say there is no legal reason for a person to pay more tax than what they owe to explain why avoidance is legal and evasion is illegal.

Or to put it another way if you don't submit your tax return, don't pay the fines and don't pay the tax you owe, HMRC can decide 10 years down the line you owe x amount plus the interest and fines due to the inaccurate information they hold on you. They can then come into your home, seize anything they think your records are stored on and take you to court for tax evasion.

Indeed but by what right have they to tax me or the fruits of my labour? I was born in the land known as England and as such , i have a natural right to inhabit the land. If i choose to do work for another person what has it to do with the state?

Answer..I was not born free. I was born into slavery.

A system of theft brought in by William Pitt the Younger in 1798 to fund the Napoleonic Wars has grown and morphed into what we have now. Theft from the pockets of ordinary people whilst those who have power,riches and influence can side step it.