D Day for Benefits Claimants as "nastiest" party has it's way

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

I think Generali, our resident Aussie Tory economist banker, supported that proposition a few weeks ago, ASTOUNDING that we should expect business to pay a living wage instead of top ups from the taxpayer

What is truely astonishing is that governments don't expect people to respond to the reality around them.


If the government incentivises people not to work there should be no surptise that people don't work.

If the governments makes it feasible to offer low wages then there should be no surprise that companies will offer low wages.


If the government instructs housing association not to build one bed flats then there should be no surprise that there is a shortage of one bed flats in the social housing sector.

An inevitable result of government meddling.

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

An inevitable result of government meddling.

Nothing to do with meddling, but all to do with joined up thinking (effective planning).

grizzly1911

StevieJ wrote: »

Nothing to do with meddling, but all to do with joined up thinking (effective planning).

Or lack of it.

GillyR-J

Can I just chip in and say that having had to claim JSA after my husband had a accident which effectively closed our business for six months,it is not something I would want to repeat.It really was very tough and as from today it gets much tougher.
I just think the coalition have abdicated responsibility for the poor and it is the Church and charity organisations who will have to pick them up through increased food banks and drop-ins.
It is just too easy to try and pit the working against the non-working and where I live we are all struggling and 'all in it together'. I just don't hear this rhetoric against the unemployed because where all I live most people have had some time had to claim as manufacturing companies close or relocate abroad.
The rise of food banks and breakfast clubs in schools surely tells us that the poorest in our communities are suffering.
The irony is of course the people who caused this misery by using our funds to bet with each day in the casino called 'investment banking' are protected and continued to be paid obscene salaries. It might be nice to see this sector of the community given a tax haircut of 30%. you can be sure there would be an absolute furore !

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

Nothing to do with meddling, but all to do with joined up thinking (effective planning).

No, the soviet model of more and more and more planning is ineffective as it just creates more (but different ) anomolies.

A free market will quite quickly correct for a shortage by producing more and will address a surplus by producing less and making appropriate adjustments to the price.
And its all done without parliamentary inquires or thousands of pages of government guidelines or 300 councils producing more detailed local implement plans for the said guidelines.

kaya

I'm wondering when they will means test MP's expense accounts?

CLAPTON

GillyR-J wrote: »

Can I just chip in and say that having had to claim JSA after my husband had a accident which effectively closed our business for six months,it is not something I would want to repeat.It really was very tough and as from today it gets much tougher.
I just think the coalition have abdicated responsibility for the poor and it is the Church and charity organisations who will have to pick them up through increased food banks and drop-ins.
It is just too easy to try and pit the working against the non-working and where I live we are all struggling and 'all in it together'. I just don't hear this rhetoric against the unemployed because where all I live most people have had some time had to claim as manufacturing companies close or relocate abroad.
The rise of food banks and breakfast clubs in schools surely tells us that the poorest in our communities are suffering.
The irony is of course the people who caused this misery by using our funds to bet with each day in the casino called 'investment banking' are protected and continued to be paid obscene salaries. It might be nice to see this sector of the community given a tax haircut of 30%. you can be sure there would be an absolute furore !

If you wish to share it would be of value to hear your own account of using the benefits system.. the good bits and the bad

ILW

kaya wrote: »

I'm wondering when they will means test MP's expense accounts?

Nothing to stop you becoming an MP.

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

Nothing to stop you becoming an MP.

They may not like bullsh1tting all the time

Conrad

GillyR-J wrote: »

Can I just chip in and say that having had to claim JSA after my husband had a accident which effectively closed our business for six months,


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Classic example of the toxic entitlment mindset which dumbs everything down and causes people to not plan and take responsibility.

How about having a big emmergency fund set aside, plus insurance to help one through illness / accidents? It's what I did. It's what millions of us do.


This whole entitlment mindset is what's gone so wrong with Brtiain since Labour.

Over on discussion time someone just claimed having to walk 10 miles to a job is just out of the question yet I know old boys that walked / cycled further than this to work. Once again people seem to think they need to be handed a a life on a plate.