Dash cam footage of dangerous driving

System

So that would make the white car's actions dangerous not the overtaking car.

londonTiger

Wig wrote: »

The double whites are there for a reason. It's a junction. There is a white car on the left waiting to pull out, if he was going right and decided to go for it, because the other driver inront of the focus was going slowish....then you can easily imagine a serious impact would occur....because he would not see the focus overtaking and the focus would not see the other car starting to cross over the junction until it's too late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZbYT8PI1zY

The focus overtook with the big green junction sign in plain view

that's more relevant overtaking a car before a junction that is on the right, the car pulling out may not see the overtaker. But on the uploaders video the junction was on the left.

Norman_Castle

The car overtaking on the solid white line through the central reservation (filter lane for oncoming traffic) wasn't dangerous IMO. The roads were clear and the car in front was driving too slow.(SLOW marking on road just prior to junction)

I dont think the driver was driving dangerously here at all, the roads are clear and he went for it.

Overtaking opposite a junction?

Highway Code
165

You MUST NOT overtake
if you would have to cross or straddle double white lines with a solid line nearest to you

167

DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

• approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road

Wig

!!!!!! wrote: »

So that would make the white car's actions dangerous

Agreed

not the overtaking car.

Are you kidding?!?!

Wig

londonTiger wrote: »

that's more relevant overtaking a car before a junction that is on the right, the car pulling out may not see the overtaker. But on the uploaders video the junction was on the left.

Why do you think there is not a hazard? And if the white car pulls out to drive in either direction ...what then for the focus who is breaking all the rules?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

i can see where this thread is heading.

doesnt matter what side the junction is on, if the car infront slowed to let out the car and it was turning right there would be a horrendous accident caused by the focus overtaking.

as for quality inadmissable, youtube only allows 10mins of footage, some programs compress the quality to allow for the MG to drop so it doesnt exceed, but the quality of the original footage willl be much clearer.

in this case, personaly would bother reporting it, it will get chucked to the bottom of the pile of things to do in the office.

had an accident occured this footage would be valuable to the officers attending and could bring forth charges that could have the focus driver put in prison.

Chopper_Read

Wig wrote: »

Why do you think there is not a hazard? And if the white car pulls out to drive in either direction ...what then for the focus who is breaking all the rules?

Because he's never driven outside of London or on a road with a speed limit over 30.

muckybutt

I thought this might get some reactions .... I was right

Chopper_Read wrote: »

You caused the issue with the tanker.

How do you work that out then ?

So he is in the Left lane, i'm in the Middle lane and there is a car in the Right lane - by the tanker driver being in the third lane and crossing into the lane I was in would have forced me to A) Stop in the middle of the road Forced me over into the the other lane and into the car.

Plain and simple the tanker driver was in the wrong lane - here's an overhead view of the junction .

Wig wrote: »

The Focus, clearly bad driving but evidence not good enough. Re: your video description, I don't see that the oncoming car was affected in anyway. not seriously anyway. It was, however, clearly a dangerous move because of the crossroads.

The Garic tanker,
The tanker is a good driver -evidenced by the previous rbt he was indicating left-
The second rbt, first exit is a minor exit. The main through route -second exit- is straight on. There is a 3rd exit for supermarket.
The tanker is not indicating which should indicate to you that he is going straight on, i.e. he is staying on the main road.
Highway Code says that you should give large vehicles a wide berth especially on rbts.
There are no lane markings on entrance to the roundabout.
You cannot assume that the tanker is turning left.
By taking that lane the tanker is not committing himself to turn left
That lane is an appropriate lane to take for "straight on" because it is not marked to indicate the contrary.
By squeezing yourself into the middle lane between two vehicles to enter onto a 2 laned rbt (where there is no compulsion on the driver to your left to turn left ) you are asking for trouble.
You are effectively putting yourself into an 'overtaking position' and you have no right of way over the vehicle to your left.
Very stupid of you.
And then you try to cause that driver problems with his employer when it was entirely your fault* You don't allow comments on your video for people like me to set you straight, so the employer when given a link to the video will not be able to read and be better informed by the comments. let's hope the employer has better road awareness skills than you do.
If you want to complain to someone you should complain to the highways authority.

Wayne's world
I'd like to see the 2 mins prior to this clip and the 5 mins after
It was an unnecessary use of the horn, I wouldn't have beeped in that situation. There was no impending danger.

*There is case law which says that on an unmarked roundabout (unmarked meaning no compulsion on any driver to follow a particular route) A driver in the left hand lane (the outside of the rbt) can legitimately pass the 1st exit but that driver must then take extreme caution before passing a second exit.

Perhaps someone here can inform the Garic business of this thread.

Have a look at the junction and tell me that he was right .... I beg to differ. If you look at the aerial view then clearly the left lane is for the first Lh turn and straight on to the A18, Middle lane for the A630 and the right lane for the A630 and the supermarket. To me and by the looks of the traffic on the photo the lines on the road leading to the junction mean the left lane is for straight on at the junction thus being the lines as prescribed as per tsrgd 1004.

I agree the lead up to the junction could be signed better, be good to get a view on this from an advanced drivers perspective or an ex traffic plod.

londonTiger wrote: »

im not a dangerous driver, but i think people who collect dashcam footage and post them online are a bit sad.

Nobody is a saint driver 100% of the time, we all lapse in judgement and might have bad days so we do a manouvre we shouldn't do. There is "dangerous driving" according to the rule book [actually just bad driving] and there is actual dangerous drive. The car overtaking on the solid white line through the central reservation wasn't dangerous IMO. The roads were clear and the car in front was driving too slow.

I dont think the driver was driving dangerously here at all, the roads are clear and he went for it. The only reason why you posted it and tried tio name and shame him is because he overtook you earlier and you got butthurt.

Not dangerous driving ? you are having a laugh aren't you.

RTA Sec2 :
[F12A Meaning of dangerous driving.E+W+S


(1)For the purposes of sections 1 and 2 above a person is to be regarded as driving dangerously if (and, subject to subsection (2) below, only if)—

(a)the way he drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver, and

(b)it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous.

(2)A person is also to be regarded as driving dangerously for the purposes of sections 1 and 2 above if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous.

As for the vehicle going too slow... tosh ! he was doing 50 and as for the roads being clear - you need to go to specsavers, as has been said what about the car at the junction - what if he had pulled out ? what about the oncoming traffic ? what about the FACT that crossing double white lines is against the law. Double white lines are there for a reason, probably has something to do with the numerous fatal accidents at that junction and on that stretch of road as a whole.
I couldn't give a toss that he had overtaken me a few 100 yards back I was sticking to my legal limit of 50.

Chopper_Read

Because you should have shown some restraint.

muckybutt

Restraint ! he wasn't indicating - meaning to me he was going straight on to Hatfield and not the way I was going on the A630. If he had been indicating or in the middle lane then that would have been different.