Ignorance! Argh!!!!

SuzieSue

Yes, it was a very childish and unnecessary argument, but in my experience, a lot of couples in relationships also deliberately do things to wind each other up (I personally couldn't live with someone who did that which is why my ex is my ex), but several couples I know seem to put up with it.

I think everyone has childish arguments and the OP's one got out of hand. Hopefully she will learn from it and not allow it to go so far again especially in front of her baby.

Everyone makes mistakes, we just need to learn from them.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

MissKeith wrote: »

Well considering my dad is dancing round the living room with the little one singing to him whilst shouting answers at the Chase on tv I think I'm certain. Heh.

Well, I'm sure a few quid is a small price to pay to have grown women screeching at one another. Makes it all worthwhile. And guarantees your parents love you more than her, too? That's a bargain - I never would have thought that cash did that.



Never mind the idea of kids growing up in an atmosphere where violence seems to be the norm. If you have a subsequent child, will you be enjoying it when they're still tearing lumps off one another when they're in their twenties?


I know I wouldn't.



It's not healthy to have that sort of relationship/environment anywhere or with anyone. Rather than bait her or rise to bait, which you seem to be doing, don't allow yourself to get drawn in. After all, someone out of control like that could easily end up hurting a baby in the area through falling over, knocking something onto them, throwing something at the irritant but missing. It's better to avoid fights than encourage them.


Well, it is when you're over about 11 years old, anyway.

lika_86

MissKeith wrote: »

she starting screaming "FREEDOM OF SPEECH! FREEDOM OF SPEECH!" .I lost my temper (admittedly) and said that was from the American Bill of Rights, using the freedom of speech defence just shows how stupid and ignorant she is because she should know we do not have freedom of speech as we have laws against hate speech.

From the European Convention on Human Rights, incorporated into UK law via the Human Rights Act:
Article 10 Freedom of expression

1 Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

MissKeith

You're making an awful lot of assumptions about our family. Who said violence is the norm? Weren't you the one who said you would have hospitalised her to which I replied I'm not a violent person? She swung for me and missed, which I seem to be getting berated for. I didn't raise my voice and suddenly I'm a terrible mum raising my child in a violent house? I'll admit I didn't mince any words when expressing my opinion but I certainly didn't start yelling or getting aggressive.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

MissKeith wrote: »

You're making an awful lot of assumptions about our family. Who said violence is the norm? Weren't you the one who said you would have hospitalised her to which I replied I'm not a violent person? She swung for me and missed, which I seem to be getting berated for. I didn't raise my voice and suddenly I'm a terrible mum raising my child in a violent house? I'll admit I didn't mince any words when expressing my opinion but I certainly didn't start yelling or getting aggressive.

I'm honest about these things and I'd take a situation where I was attacked as a threat to my safety. Although had I known all the way through that the person doing it wouldn't dream of actually following through and I still continued to push her knowing what the end result would be, I'd be equally in the wrong, and quite possibly more so for deliberately trying to engineer an argument.



It's not a healthy environment where you willingly stay in a place and situation where violence is acceptable. Your staying there confirms it to be acceptable to you. Your choosing to rise to the bait and continue with an argument until she lost control (quite satisfying isn't it, when you can calmly manipulate somebody until they completely lose the plot?).

The adult approach would be to ignore the idiotic comments in the first place. It's what you'll be doing with your child, hopefully - ignoring the daft stuff done purely to get attention (and in his case, responding to the stuff that you want to encourage instead).




I have no idea what you are like with a baby.

But your skills around other adults appear to have some room for improvement.

MissKeith

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

Your choosing to rise to the bait and continue with an argument until she lost control (quite satisfying isn't it, when you can calmly manipulate somebody until they completely lose the plot?).

You tell me... :-)

notakid

MissKeith wrote: »

You're making an awful lot of assumptions about our family. Who said violence is the norm? Weren't you the one who said you would have hospitalised her to which I replied I'm not a violent person? She swung for me and missed, which I seem to be getting berated for. I didn't raise my voice and suddenly I'm a terrible mum raising my child in a violent house? I'll admit I didn't mince any words when expressing my opinion but I certainly didn't start yelling or getting aggressive.

Ignore the people on this thread ripping into you, Ive screamed at my sister and she and me, not often, once in the last 20 years when she borrowed money off my parents. It was a one off, because we were both under a lot of pressure, like you are at the mo'.

I don't understand why posters cant show you a little compassion, in what must be, at the moment, a horrible time in your life.

For the record, I think you were right but maybe, its other reasons which have made you and your sister at logger heads. Some of us wonder why people have to be so damning and judgmental when its obvious your only crime is having a row with your sister and wanting a bit of a vent on a forum!

seven-day-weekend

Whilst feeling sorry for the little Down's Syndrome child, if her laughing was so loud that it was spoiling the film for the other children, then I think it was right to ask her to come back when it was quieter. The others have the right to enjoy the film too.

MissKeith

notakid wrote: »

Ignore the people on this thread ripping into you, Ive screamed at my sister and she and me, not often, once in the last 20 years when she borrowed money off my parents. It was a one off, because we were both under a lot of pressure, like you are at the mo'.

I don't understand why posters cant show you a little compassion, in what must be, at the moment, a horrible time in your life.

For the record, I think you were right but maybe, its other reasons which have made you and your sister at logger heads. Some of us wonder why people have to be so damning and judgmental when its obvious your only crime is having a row with your sister and wanting a bit of a vent on a forum!

Thank you, I appreciate that. I knew what this forum was like so I did expect it somewhat. MSE : we eat our own!

I've calmed down, helped my mum cook dinner, crushed some garlic which is always cathartic and the bub has got his own baby revenge by projectile vomiting all over his dear auntie's jumper. Suddenly I'm not so angry!

zagfles

MissKeith wrote: »

I'm not sure why I should have to tolerate intolerance,

:rotfl::rotfl:damn I've got tea all over my keyboard now!! Funniest thing I've read on here for ages!