Should fatties pay more to fly?

ILW

SnooksNJ wrote: »

Unless you are a shareholder I don't get the mindset of wanting people to pay more fee's to the airlines. Prime example you have a cash cow like check in luggage where US airlines alone have collected $1.7 billion for check in luggage in the first half of 2012. Not too long ago check in bags were free.

It could make it cheaper for the thinner people

andy.m_2

Fat people should be criticised and punished in general.

It may spur them on to give a rat's !!! about their appearance and general health and well being.

paul1964_2

andy.m wrote: »

Fat people should be criticised and punished in general.

It may spur them on to give a rat's !!! about their appearance and general health and well being.

Arrogant, intolerant people should be criticised and punished in general.

It may spur them on to give a rat's !!! about their personality, stress levels and mental health.

The_White_Horse

what if the pilot is fat? why should the passengers be charged more to compensate the airlines profits if they hire a fat captain?

PaulF81

marathonic wrote: »

Interesting information. The fuel cost in itself appears miniscule so it looks like the biggest cost to the airline would be a reduction in the maximum number of passengers permitted due to weight/space restrictions as opposed to the cost of the fuel itself.

you also have your carbon tax to add on to this. The figures provided are for your typical airliner, twin, like a 777. I dont have a performance manual on me at the moment, so cant give accurate figures, but they are sufficiently ballpark to use. Its also not as simple as accounting for fuel though, ultra long range ops (flights greater than 12 hours) typically will start to have to trade off payload for fuel (ie less paying passengers). This, fortunately for the airlines does not feature as an issue as the regulatory bodys set an average passenger weight to use in payload calculations and trim.

However, the increased requirements for seat width and also the fact the regulators keep a close eye on physiological data in the long term and have, in fact, upwardly revised the weight required for planning purposes. THis means that airlines may have to cut back on passenger numbers in the future. A workround to this would be to use actual passenger weight instead of an average. Watch this space. O'leary will be first to headline this if it becomes possible.

Dont worry about fuel though if you are on a flight back from dallas texas and the jet is full of fatties, the airlines have to carry 5% more in accordance with ICAO procedures to account for low accuracy weather forecasts, being slightly overweight (Flights to anywhere in the USA), air traffic delays, reroutes and being held down at lower levels, which burns LOADS more fuel.

Finally, for complex aerodymanic reasons, if you fly with more passengers in the back than the front, you can save up to 5% of fuel in the cruise. THis is why DHL and the likes like their trim sheet nice and tailey (although not too much, or this happens I wouldnt watch if you are a nervous flyer).

The regulators are currently looking at approving far longer range ETOPS which will allow 2 engine aircraft to fly over the poles, which significantly shortens flight times to the likes of seattle. They are talking about 777-ER (extended range) direct to Fiji. Imagine 18 hours sat next to some disgusting fat body who you are having to share a seat with? No thanks.
Hope this helps with everyones understanding of the issues involved!

PaulF81

paul1964 wrote: »

Arrogant, intolerant people should be criticised and punished in general.

It may spur them on to give a rat's !!! about their personality, stress levels and mental health.

I am a bigger fan of a bit of tough love. Lettuce and lots and lots of physical beasting.

something like 2 months of tony horton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEyS0ftC98), with those refusing being fed to alligators should do it.

Are you 'big boned' perchance?

paul1964_2

PaulF81 wrote: »

Are you 'big boned' perchance?

No. I'm not black or gay either. Hope that puts your mind at rest.

PaulF81

paul1964 wrote: »

No. I'm not black or gay either. Hope that puts your mind at rest.

Hell, I have no problems with minorities. Just people who make out that their sloth is everyone elses fault, seeing my taxes go on to fix the multiple issues caused by obesity, that could have been avoided by going for a 5K run 3 times a week.

I know one thing for sure. there are no 'genetically fat' people in somalia.

Judwin

O'Leary is less likely to introduce it than the full service flyers - after all it's us 6'8" fatties that buy the Bacon Butties and Microwave Pizzas at £5 a pop, plus the £2.50 coffee.:beer:

paul1964_2

PaulF81 wrote: »

..... seeing my taxes go on to fix the multiple issues caused by obesity

I guess an obese person will cost you, as a fit taxpayer, more through access to health services. A fit person will cost an obese taxpayer more via the state pension.

Let's face it. Some people seem to need to identify a group to attack and belittle in an effort to cover up their own inadequacies. 40 years ago it may have been black people, 20 years ago homosexuals. It all comes from the same dark place.