Nice people thread part 8 - worth the wait

lostinrates

Ndg...aren't you dyslexic?

Have I misremembered?

SingleSue

michaels wrote: »

Your son is 3 years ahead in his oral expression and vocabulary, remind me again what is it you and NDB do for a living....

I'm not sure dyslexic warrants a , hopefully the world has moved on from the days where it was misunderstood and resulted in bright pupils being held back (Sue don't comment). It would be a boring world if everyone confirmed to the 'norm' in everything. Apparently I was a slow reader until they eventually found some books I found interesting and then it just clicked and I became a real nose in a book at all times child and DD2 seems similar, DD1 has always been well ahead in reading but has no interest in books, DD2 struggled but seems to have made a real breakthrough in the last 6 months and now is much more keen to read.

Woops, already have...but in a (hopefully) positive way.

neverdespairgirl

michaels wrote: »

Don't seem to be able to open my mouth without upsetting people today - still tomorrow will be another day and I'll do my best to do better.

You've not upset me at all, michaels, and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I welcomed hearing different views. I don't think myself that Isaac is just a bit late in reading / writing, but there's nothing offensive or upsetting in the suggestion at all.

zagubov

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Thanks Lydia - that's the way I feel about it too. He's already feeling a bit insecure about his reading and writing, as the others in his class are doing better at it.

The educational psychologist strongly recommends extra help, and we're definitely going to take up the suggestion.

I would agree. Our son was at a great state school but the staff were young and although energetic and enthusiastic they weren't experienced enough to deal with his problems (and dyslexia was another of them)

We got our son into a small private school that met his needs and when that was closed (turned into something much more profitable) we found another. In his first school half the students were dyslexic and half the teachers were trained in it. It didwonders for him but didn't manage to instil a love of reading. This worried me immensely as I was always an avid reader when young and it's galling to know he can't escape into the world of books and all the knowledge that's out there.:(

There's a limited number of schools such as this and they're pricey. That's another reason we don't travel much (and I spend most of my online time on a moneysaving site).

neverdespairgirl

lostinrates wrote: »

Ndg...aren't you dyslexic?

Have I misremembered?

I am. But in a different way - I've never had any trouble reading, in fact the opposite, I was way ahead in it, could read fluently by the time I started school, and read on my own for pleasure from just before I turned 5.

Writing was more difficult for me, and spelling. I went through my entire primary and early secondary school career being told that I was being lazy about writing, and that I out-performed orally significantly in relation to in writing.

I still have strageies for avoiding words I can't spell - like writing "mental health" instead of those horrible words that start with "p".

It didn't hold me back in quite the same way as it is holding Isaac back, because reading was fine.

One of my sisters is more dyslexic, and struggled with reading and writing, but again not quite as much as Isaac's struggling at the moment.

SingleSue wrote: »

To give you hope

James is dyslexic and reading and writing was a real chore to him in his younger days, he would get so frustrated because he knew what he wanted to write, it was all in his head but he just couldn't get the damn information down on a piece of paper.

Isaac's feeling a bit like that already.

SingleSue wrote: »

She also worked on his confidence, he thought he was stupid (didn't matter how many times I told him he wasn't)...that confidence made all the difference as he went from being predicted pretty much all F and G's in his GCSEs to the final 10 A-C GCSEs (including English and Maths) he got.

Hope we can get Isaac some help like that - he said last week, "I'm stupid at reading" as a reason why he didn't want to do some.

SingleSue wrote: »

I had a very advanced reading age (11 years at age 5) and have always read avidly because I always thought it was perfectly normal and that was how everyone else read.
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I do have trouble with spelling, whether tired or otherwise, but I also had the reading age of 11 at aged 5. Which is why Isaac's reading age of a year younger than he is bothers me a bit, for his sake, not mine.

neverdespairgirl

zagubov wrote: »

We got our son into a small private school that met his needs and when that was closed (turned into something much more profitable) we found another. In his first school half the students were dyslexic and half the teachers were trained in it. It didwonders for him but didn't manage to instil a love of reading. This worried me immensely as I was always an avid reader when young and it's galling to know he can't escape into the world of books and all the knowledge that's out there.:(

There's a limited number of schools such as this and they're pricey. That's another reason we don't travel much (and I spend most of my online time on a moneysaving site).

Isaac's already at a small private school, and I think that's helped - the educational psychologist observed a literacy lesson in his class and thought the school were dealing with him well. I still think he needs extra help, over and above that, though. WE're going to make an appt with his teacher this week, if we can, and discuss it with him.

She still thinks he needs extra, one-on-one, literacy lessons.

She said about his school:


Isaac’s Year Three class at XXXXX school has eleven pupils (eight boys and four girls).

I observed Isaac in the context of literacy lesson. His class teacher,XXXXX, began the lesson with a discussion of the words on the class weekly spelling list. The words were presented visually on the whiteboard and the discussion covered the meaning of the words and the spelling pattern in a way that was lively, fun and interactive.

Isaac appeared to enjoy this part of the lesson, responded well to praise from his teacher and participated well in the discussion of word meanings where pupils were invited to suggest sentences using the words appropriately. His attention, focus and concentration were good during this part of the lesson.

Next, pupils were asked to complete an exercise that involved writing their own sentences using the weekly spelling words. At this point, it was noticeable that, while the rest of the class began writing, Isaac seemed extremely reluctant even to begin the task.


and later on:

Other strategies that have worked well with Isaac in the learning context have been his teacher scribing for him and guided reading in small groups (others in the class are very accepting of Isaac’s difficulties with reading and writing).

SingleSue

I think the ability to spell correctly became an obsession for me, I would spend hours looking at a dictionary to make sure everything was correct. So much easier now because if there is a word I am not sure of, Google is my friend :rotfl:

James was a similar age to Isaac when it all really started to have an impact, when he started to believe he was stupid because his peers were able to do so much more than him.

Middle son doesn't have dyslexia but I have the same feelings you do about Isaac because he cannot enjoy fiction due to his Aspergers. He just doesn't understand it and will stick only to factual information, it's such a shame he cannot realise the joy that comes from immersing yourself in a story.

hjd

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Isaac’s Year Three class at XXXXX school has eleven pupils (eight boys and four girls).

Maths is obviously not the EdPsych's strong point..

lostinrates

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Isaac's already at a small private school, and I think that's helped - the educational psychologist observed a literacy lesson in his class and thought the school were dealing with him well. I still think he needs extra help, over and above that, though. WE're going to make an appt with his teacher this week, if we can, and discuss it with him.

She still thinks he needs extra, one-on-one, literacy lessons.

She said about his school:


Isaac’s Year Three class at XXXXX school has eleven pupils (eight boys and four girls).

I observed Isaac in the context of literacy lesson. His class teacher,XXXXX, began the lesson with a discussion of the words on the class weekly spelling list. The words were presented visually on the whiteboard and the discussion covered the meaning of the words and the spelling pattern in a way that was lively, fun and interactive.

Isaac appeared to enjoy this part of the lesson, responded well to praise from his teacher and participated well in the discussion of word meanings where pupils were invited to suggest sentences using the words appropriately. His attention, focus and concentration were good during this part of the lesson.

Next, pupils were asked to complete an exercise that involved writing their own sentences using the weekly spelling words. At this point, it was noticeable that, while the rest of the class began writing, Isaac seemed extremely reluctant even to begin the task.


and later on:

Other strategies that have worked well with Isaac in the learning context have been his teacher scribing for him and guided reading in small groups (others in the class are very accepting of Isaac’s difficulties with reading and writing).

School really is key.

My second niece was diagnosed with dyslexia. I am not sure this was a wholly accurate diagnosis, but there is no doubt that after her early years she fell behind and lost confidence. The school she was in for her primary education worked really, really well with her and she gained confidence and skill. That school is not known for its academic prowess in the world of private schools but I think its because they have a huge number of kids who have issues but without the official recognition this might get in families in a different socio economic scale. However, the results they drew from youngest niece were incredible.

Edit...this was not a small private, but a rather large one. It's 'name' has been made in non academic success. My nieces were moved from there for secondary as it was considered socially inferior, which I think was a fine decision for the one that ended up rather close to Lydia, but a shame for the youngest who had done so very, very well there.

lostinrates

PasturesNew wrote: »

I don't see the point of reading fiction .... don't get it..

What's the point in sparkly things? Just pleasure in beauty

What's the point in talking to other people? Different vantage on situations

What's the point of travelling? Seeing something new and getting out of the normal routine.

All of these are 'points' among other points of some fiction. Its not mandatory once you are adul
T, but the world would be much poorer for me. Because of my memory I have to flick back a few times for harasser checks and also sometimes I hav to choose wisely. I haven't tried any complicated Russian classics recently....it was frustrating last time I tried.