Appealing the Bedroom Tax

mysterywoman10

AB I note the posts regarding LA's contesting the circular have been removed (probably legal reasons) including your's where you quoted it. Either that or I'm missing it.

Anyway the answer was as follows so everyone is clear.

Local authorities are obliged under s6 of the Human Rights Act to act in a way that is compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights. Following Gorry, they must allocate an extra room to disabled children who are unable to share a room. This is primary legislation and so trumps the Regulations. The Guidance merely confirms this.

Ziggazee

nannytone wrote: »

its that simple isnt it?

just get a job.
why doesnt everyone think of that!

What's so complicated about it? There are jobs there but there are a lot of people who just don't want to work. They'd rather sit and moan about the government cutting their handouts....paid for with MY taxes!

angrybuffalo

Dunroamin wrote: »

You don't need a separate bedroom because someone's on oxygen and only a small minority need a hospital bed.

Dunroamin wrote: »

You don't need a separate bedroom because someone's on oxygen and only a small minority need a hospital bed.

take the need for a person reliant upon continuous care and supervision from others for an additional bedroom in order to accommodate carers overnight - the need is absolute. the care is a matter of life or death and independent living is impossible if a carer(s) can't be accommodated.

less severely disabled people, may still nevertheless be severely disabled, and may have very great but not absolute need for a separate bedroom, and disabled people could also have very great need for a separate bedroom.

you feel able to say that a person on oxygen doesn't require a separate room but where exactly would you draw lines - and don't expect it to be clean and easy...

in the real world, most people would accept that basic standards of decency and dignity would admit the need of severely disabled persons to sleep separately, without requiring that the level of need be absolute.

Without grace, a degree of pragmatism or flexibility in your thinking, and if you must precisely dole out and measure (means-test) all additional provision, a complexity of rules about exceptional needs, and exemptions and prescribed circumstances is needed to specify where lines are drawn.

It could be the case that you do have the normal standards of decency and dignity with regards to the needs of severely disabled people, but you believe they do not apply to social housing tenants.

You will laugh, but did you know that when the first council houses were being built, there was opposition to building homes with bathrooms on the grounds that the poor would only keep their coal in the bath?

nannytone_2

Ziggazee wrote: »

What's so complicated about it? There are jobs there but there are a lot of people who just don't want to work. They'd rather sit and moan about the government cutting their handouts....paid for with MY taxes!

a lot of us are disabled.
i myself am bling.
i have special software that allows me to joimn in this forum.

how many unskilled jobs that are available would welcome a blind member of staff?

angrybuffalo

<<<In most large cites flats are the only option, so are you saying all families with young children move out of the city.>>>

You and everyone else can read exactly what I said.

google logical fallacies - strawman, and don't try that with me again.

Errata

You will laugh, but did you know that when the first council houses were being built, there was opposition to building homes with bathrooms on the grounds that the poor would only keep their coal in the bath?

I think you will find that is an urban myth.

angrybuffalo

Credit-Crunched wrote: »

How naive to think it is free?

Does everyone involved in the process work pro bono I don't think so.

It has a cost somewhere, and rest assured it will be footed by the minority for the majority.

I would say that the ratio of benefits : taxes paid for benefit claimants is slightly higher than mine.

Taxes paid 40% benefits received Nil.

Then even if I do need them, I get turned away as I was foolish enough to save up, get a mortgage and some emergency funds for savings....

I wish people would realise what they get is very very generous, all this government is doing, is re-adjusting the ludicrous over spend of the Labour years.

I'm sure that you know I was confirming that appeals to the social security tribunal do not require a fee, and I am not naive. in the least. Still, never let an opportunity to bestow your opinionated bilge go by, eh?

nannytone_2

angrybuffalo wrote: »

<<<In most large cites flats are the only option, so are you saying all families with young children move out of the city.>>>

You and everyone else can read exactly what I said.

google logical fallacies - strawman, and don't try that with me again.

and equally, should all simgle disabled people move into the cities?

Dunroamin

angrybuffalo wrote: »

you feel able to say that a person on oxygen doesn't require a separate room but where exactly would you draw lines - and don't expect it to be clean and easy...

in the real world, most people would accept that basic standards of decency and dignity would admit the need of severely disabled persons to sleep separately, without requiring that the level of need be absolute.

I said that you don't need a separate bedroom to accommodate oxygen.

Many of us whose partners are severely disabled wouldn't think of sleeping separately from them specifically because of the need for caring for them during the night; not much use snoring in the "spare" bedroom when you're needed next door.

angrybuffalo

<<<As for gardens, you must have led a very limited life if you're not aware of how many flats do have their own gardens for those families who have the same viewpoint that you do.>>>

it's not an unusual view, and my own local authority, among others, adopted a policy that tower blocks were unsuitable for families with children