Council Tax Support 500% increase in Council Tax - not so supportive

mysterywoman10

£36 per hour good grief!!! Those agencies must be raking it in and I doubt the carers get the benefit of it!!

It really annoys me that SS will pay this kind of rate. This is why I am so pro DP because there is no profit involved. But it isn't for everyone as they cannot manage the responsibilities of being an employer, which isn't always easy.

mysterywoman10

PS to above although they can use an agency as well on DP but the rate paid for DP isn't really enough to cover an agency cost per hour.

We did the same for my Dad arrange it all privately because there is no way he would have got funded by SS in the area he lived in. Although in the end he did meet the CHC criteria.

pipkin71

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

£36 per hour good grief!!! Those agencies must be raking it in and I doubt the carers get the benefit of it!!

It really annoys me that SS will pay this kind of rate. This is why I am so pro DP because there is no profit involved. But it isn't for everyone as they cannot manage the responsibilities of being an employer, which isn't always easy.

I was shocked when I was told how much they would pay because, as you say, it's not the care worker who would benefit from that, but the agency.

I know different areas have different rates, some pay a flat fee for the night and it also depends if you have sitting night time care or sleep-in night time care.

It is definitely better to use direct payments and sort your own care arrangements - and cheaper too.

MissMoneypenny

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

You make a lot of assumptions there Miss Moneypenny I am not affected at all by the Benefit Cuts

If I look back on your posts will I see that you/your family, have relied on benefits a lot in the past?

The simple fact is that that those who pay for the overly generous benefits want them reduced and those who claim, don't. He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

mysterywoman10

I'm glad our Borough has opted for a fairer charging system that isn't means tested.

They have said this way they raise more money in contributions and I suppose looking at what some areas are paying in care charges it would make sense. They are pushing very hard here to get everyone on personalised budgets though but we do have systems for those that don't want to take on the responsibilty of being an employer it being "managed" for them.

On the other hand we have gone backwards in terms of going to generic social working which is a massive error. We had a model Learning Disabilities team which really was exceptional and joint funded between Health and Social Care totally effective.

So we have paid the price in other ways. sad really because the OT that worked with them could deal with 20+ cases in a day she sat opposite the S/W and now spends all her time chasing around after numerous ones who don't have a clue what they are doing.

Sorry we have gone totally off topic again

mysterywoman10

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

If I look back on your posts will I see that you/your family, have relied on benefits a lot in the past?

The simple fact is that that those who pay for the overly generous benefits want them reduced and those who claim, don't. He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

No this is incorrect we only ever had DLA for our daughter and I think she was entitled to that given her situation and I had carers allowance giving up a £30,000 a year job in 1988.

We did obviously have CB and we missed out on the Tax Credits for severely disabled children due to when it was bought in.

We paid for all our own adaptions for our house so I suggest you go back further on my posts to where I originally came to the MAIN forum with a query on House selling.

My husband has worked full time through out and we have paid more than our fair share in taxes over the years.

So I don't think your claims of overly generous benefits apply in my personal circumstances not that it is any of your business.

pipkin71

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

I'm glad our Borough has opted for a fairer charging system that isn't means tested.

They have said this way they raise more money in contributions and I suppose looking at what some areas are paying in care charges it would make sense. They are pushing very hard here to get everyone on personalised budgets though but we do have systems for those that don't want to take on the responsibilty of being an employer it being "managed" for them.

On the other hand we have gone backwards in terms of going to generic social working which is a massive error. We had a model Learning Disabilities team which really was exceptional and joint funded between Health and Social Care totally effective.

So we have paid the price in other ways. sad really because the OT that worked with them could deal with 20+ cases in a day she sat opposite the S/W and now spends all her time chasing around after numerous ones who don't have a clue what they are doing.

Sorry we have gone totally off topic again

I think all boroughs have a fairer charging policy. I know here, probably all over, if you have over £23,000 in savings, you have to pay for all your care, otherwise they decide how much you should be paying based on what income you have.

mysterywoman10

pipkin71 wrote: »

I think all boroughs have a fairer charging policy. I know here, probably all over, if you have over £23,000 in savings, you have to pay for all your care, otherwise they decide how much you should be paying based on what income you have.

Yes they do and yes your are right about savings but ours does not take into account income which many do (unless it takes you below the minimum amount to live on +25%). So in Sunnyone's case (with pensions etc.) it would only be the savings that are taken into account.

I used the fairer charging in terms of that it was fairer rather than yes that is the "term" they use to describe it.

mysterywoman10

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

If I look back on your posts will I see that you/your family, have relied on benefits a lot in the past?

The simple fact is that that those who pay for the overly generous benefits want them reduced and those who claim, don't. He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

I would go further actually if you knew anything about disability you will know that carers of this country save it a fortune!!

My family as you refer to them were higher rate tax payers and had it not been for my parents help we would not have survived. So I consider myself fortunate that I was in that position because many do not have that to fall back on.

So be careful what you wish for because to keep a severely disabled person or child in care costs a hell of a lot more.

Do you know how many carers we have in this country working for a minimum of 35 hours a week on £60 a week?!

mysterywoman10

http://www.carersuk.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=2121&Itemid=8