Anybody heard of Infranomics

fishybusiness

I fully accept your view, but am simply making the point that it's an opinion, and not a theory than can be proven.

Fair enough

As you know the infrared panel debate just seems to run and run in one form or another. Up until recently there have been very few comments from people that have used them, that is any modern infrared panel, not halogen or any other permutation. I have found it refreshing to read comments on this thread from a few that have used them, as their comments mirror my own experiences.


My experience has been that they have kept us warm in rooms that previously had much higher rating convector heaters fitted. There is a consideration of utilisation of the heaters, draughts, outside temperature and more, and when it all panned out, the 600W heater worked really well, with the timer set to run at a higher temp through the night on E7, and slightly lower during the day. Only on the coldest days, -2 degrees and below did we need to supplement the panels.

In considering the views of those that believe infrared panels are nothing more than snake oil, I wondered if, due to the number of companies now advertising them, the complaints would start to roll in. Higher than expected bills, Advertising Standards getting involved etc etc, posts on MSE asking for help. So far it hasn't happened, watch this space I guess.....

Cardew

fishybusiness wrote: »

Indeed a subjective view, maybe you can just accept my view as different to yours without waffling on about oil CH and efficiencies?

The 'waffling on' (as you put it) is to warn readers that these IR heaters produce exactly the same amount of heat, for the same running cost, as any other electrical heater.

When to Use Infrared Heaters

Infrared heaters do provide direct cost-efficient heating, but that doesn't mean you should forego central heating. Infrared heaters generally aren't meant to heat your entire home.


Instead, you're most likely to find infrared heating technologies in large spaces that must counteract frequent loss of heat, such as warehouses, garages and airplane hangars. These spaces often have large doors or other cavities that are opened and closed often. Infrared heat works well to keep these areas from
cooling too much.


You're also likely to find them along production lines in factories, but infrared heaters aren't reserved for industrial sites and cavernous areas. Because of their ability to focus heat on objects and not just pump hot air into a room, they're useful in home construction or improvement projects, such as
helping paint dry. Anytime direct heat is needed, infrared heat may be the answer.

If, having done some research, people decide they want to try out this heating method, then get cheap IR heaters.

fishybusiness

When to Use Infrared Heaters

Do you have a citation for this ?

The 'waffling on' (as you put it) is to warn readers that these IR heaters produce exactly the same amount of heat, for the same running cost, as any other electrical heater.

Indeed, warnings are important as you point out, the point was, and I quote again...

don't think anyone is 'kidding' anyone, no one said it is, or can be any cheaper to run than oil CH?? Or any more efficient than any other type of electric heating???

Cardew

The OP sought views about the company.

There are mixed views on this thread about the effectiveness of IR heaters - fair enough.

What 'your side' haven't commented on is the advertising content by Infranomics.

Also why can they not give prices on their website? To require access to a premises by a salesman 'to discuss options' is typical of the Modus operandi of 'snake oil' salesmen.

fishybusiness

What 'your side' haven't commented on is the advertising content by Infranomics.

Also why can they not give prices on their website? To require access to a premises by a salesman 'to discuss options' is typical of the Modus operandi of 'snake oil' salesmen.

Yep, I agree. Any company that are not transparent about their pricing structure should be avoided.

Since I started posting about IR panels many moons ago I made sure I didn't post the supplier I chose as it did seem that the forums would consider me a salesman looking to grab a few extra customers.

There are one or two UK companies that do advertise their prices, judicious use of Google will fish them out. My viewpoint is that anyone remotely interested in IR panels should find those companies, talk to them, and bring the pricing structure to the forum

macman

The orginal question posed by the OP was actually whether anyone can verify the claim by this company to knock 45% off your heating bill by using their IR heaters. The answer to this (an unequivocal 'no') is not opinion, it's fact backed up by basic thermodynamics.
As is usual in threads on this topic, the plot gets lost along the way and veers off into a debate about whether certain type of heaters 'seem' warmer than others.
The laughable data kindly supplied by Ritchie in post 3 says all that needs to be said about this company's credentials.

Richie-from-the-Boro

IR is zone heating, its extremely good at zone heating, it was designed for zone heating, its widely used by industry and the commercial sector for zone heating. Of course they want to flog it in the domestic market for which it is pretty useless when compared with other existing workable forms of domestic central heating, but the unwary will buy from silver tongued snake~oil sellers the world over.

Sold in domestic terms to 'tree huggers' as ' zero carbon combustion', no toxic by-products of combustions, no open flame, and no fuel lines to leak, they add nothing to the air and take nothing away from the air, making them environmentally friendly. Of course they are but they don't take into account the shipping and of carbons millions of miles around the worlds oceans to make the electricity by burning oil / weed / coal / etc in the first place.

All unwary buyers of snake~oil will sing its praises or keep schtum as an alternative to the embarrassing reality of what they have squandered their hard earned on. Zone heating - look in any car body repair paint shop in the worst of a British winter at -5°C and you'll find one or more of these uber effective items drying a car at sub zero °C in 4 hours. That and similar applications is what they are for, and they work brilliantly, quickly and economically at what they were designed for and what in reality on a day to day basis they are used for.

Cardew

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Sold in domestic terms to 'tree huggers' as ' zero carbon combustion', no toxic by-products of combustions, no open flame, and no fuel lines to leak, they add nothing to the air and take nothing away from the air, making them environmentally friendly.

You missed out 'nature's way of warming';)

Richie-from-the-Boro

Cardew wrote: »

You missed out 'nature's way of warming';)

- natures way of warming some one else's bank account
- a product of invention laudable of its time and for a purpose
- being 'shoehorned' into a purpose and a use its science never intended it for
- and in which it does not work unless two people sit on one chair, close to and facing the source of heat


Don't forget that near infrared light [the wavelengths closest to visible light] is best for chronic pain management and skin purification. Mid-infrared light is best to assist in weight loss and improved circulation. And far infrared reduces blood pressure and is whole-body detoxifying. The infrared penetrates deeply beneath the skin either before by warming the area for a deeper, easier massage and flushes the toxins and cellular debris out of the body. Additionally there is a sense of true relaxation and body detox that really needs to be experienced to be believed - now I can hug~a~tree Scandinavian style, pain free, my sylph like lightness of body weight matched only by a corresponding lightness of bank balance, but with my improved circulation and reduced blood pressure flushing the toxins and cellular debris out of my body, I'm now so detox'd and euphoric with my purchase I think I'll but another two - yeh right !

George_Bray

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Don't forget that near infrared light [the wavelengths closest to visible light] is best for chronic pain management and skin purification.

This is interesting. Recently, I bought a Sanitas "Ceramic Infrared" 300w lamp from Lidl. It says it's designed to warm the skin and body for health reasons and to position the area to be warmed (treated) about 30cm-40cm away. It appears to be driven by a standard 300w halogen bulb. I can see bright white light inside, through the cooling slats. But the light coming out the front is red. Is it just theatrics to make it red, or does the ceramic plate really 'convert' the light to infra red? I assume all heat is infra red, and halogen bulbs give off a lot of heat, as in a halogen cooker. Halogen cookers just keep it white.

Anyway, I bought it to use in a bathroom, positioned about 30-40cm away from where I'm standing. The bathroom is only about 10C but I'm perfectly warm because of the infrared heat directed at my skin. It's warm, whether I'm wearing light clothes or nothing. It works a treat and has resulted in further savings in energy costs, as compared to raising the temperature of the whole bathroom to, say, 20C.

So perhaps there is some validity in the claims mentioned in the original post, but only if you sit close enough to the heater.