Bedroom Tax and kids living away??

jayII

nannytone wrote: »

i dont need to change my life!!
i just need to be allowed to live it... and with increasing cuts. it will become more and more difficult!
i dont want to join discussion groups or knitting clubs..
i like to spend time with friends ... and god forbid ... having a good laugh and a gossip the same as everyone else!

the fact that i will have to use my DLA for things other than its intended use means that the money i now use to make sure i can get out and about will have to be cut!
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the reason i am at home is not because i dont have friends or because i have a sad existance with no interests, but because of MONEY.

how inhumane to even suggest that a person who is blind should move to another town, where they know no one ... have no friends and no support...
dont even know where the post office or shops are .... just so they can afford their rent and somehow bag a non existant job....

dunroamin ... you realy dont have a clue how the other half HAVE to live

The situation is incredibly unfair, for you and many others at the moment. Life is really tough sometimes but I don't believe we will be in a recession forever so with luck the tough cuts won't last more than a couple of years.

No blind person should be forced to relocate without extremely good reasons. I for one believe you have a good moral case to argue your right to stay in the same flat or house due to needing a familiar environment.

Unfortunately I'm not a legal expert so have no idea where the law stands on that.

KxMx

ab.da54 wrote: »

£99 per week is money that someone is given freely. Almost £400 per month without the worry of rent and council tax [before now]is not to be sniffed at.

If the under 25 unemployed person manages on around £50 odd per week, someone on £99 is not doing so bad.

I agree compared to an unemployed person (under £25) someone on ESA is "well off".

Please bear in mind though that £50 odd is not fixed and as soon as they get a job their financial situation improves.

Many disabled people have no chance of getting better so no chance of an improved financial situation.

Also with the current system many fear, like myself, of being declared "fit for work" and the ESA being stopped come review time- can be a matter of months in between. That means having to appeal which means managing on a reduced rate for a long period of time, current, imminent plans mean before an appeal is officially declared there will be a mandatory reconsideration phase, no money payable, and no time limits on how long the DWP can take to complete this.

"not to be sniffed at" is not the reality which keeps me awake with worry at night. And I am lucky enough to still live at home- and no we won't be affected by the bedroom tax because no HB is claimed.

I also agree with the principle with the bedroom tax- if you have a room you don't need then you should pay- but the concessions for the disabled don't go far enough. It should be looked at by a knowledgeable panel of say three people (like benefit appeals) and judged case by case for disabled people. But the Government will never do that, they didn't even want to allow people who need overnight care a room for their carer, even though in many cases they are saving the Government a fortune!

nannytone_2

jayII wrote: »

The situation is incredibly unfair, for you and many others at the moment. Life is really tough sometimes but I don't believe we will be in a recession forever so with luck the tough cuts won't last more than a couple of years.

No blind person should be forced to relocate without extremely good reasons. I for one believe you have a good moral case to argue your right to stay in the same flat or house due to needing a familiar environment.

Unfortunately I'm not a legal expert so have no idea where the law stands on that.

we wont be in a recession forever. but thats irrelevant really, because non of these changes will be overturned once things get better will they?

mysterywoman10

pipkin71 wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl:

Sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but seriously.

You've been here every time I've logged on recently, but I'm the one in a bubble

Yes because you have been doing it here since 2005 and have 17,000 + posts.

I'm only passing by have a few days on my hands

mysterywoman10

KxMx wrote: »

I agree compared to an unemployed person (under £25) someone on ESA is "well off".

Please bear in mind though that £50 odd is not fixed and as soon as they get a job their financial situation improves.

Many disabled people have no chance of getting better so no chance of an improved financial situation.

Also with the current system many fear, like myself, of being declared "fit for work" and the ESA being stopped come review time- can be a matter of months in between. That means having to appeal which means managing on a reduced rate for a long period of time, current, imminent plans mean before an appeal is officially declared there will be a mandatory reconsideration phase, no money payable, and no time limits on how long the DWP can take to complete this.

"not to be sniffed at" is not the reality which keeps me awake with worry at night. And I am lucky enough to still live at home- and no we won't be affected by the bedroom tax because no HB is claimed.

I also agree with the principle with the bedroom tax- if you have a room you don't need then you should pay- but the concessions for the disabled don't go far enough. It should be looked at by a knowledgeable panel of say three people (like benefit appeals) and judged case by case for disabled people. But the Government will never do that, they didn't even want to allow people who need overnight care a room for their carer, even though in many cases they are saving the Government a fortune!

Well fingers crossed they won't have any choice in the matter when it comes to disabled people and other cases will be changed.

jayII

nannytone wrote: »

we wont be in a recession forever. but thats irrelevant really, because non of these changes will be overturned once things get better will they?

I don't know. My personal belief is that the new rules will be relaxed and some will be overturned.

I do believe things will improve but at the end of the day I know as much as you or anyone else about the future.

It may be that a load of 1-bed properties are built or that all rent is brought in line with LHA.

It may be that people with certain disabilities are given extra rights, or that the some of the recent cuts are overturned.

Or maybe nothing will change. I hope this doesn't happen.

ab.da54

KxMx wrote: »

I agree compared to an unemployed person (under £25) someone on ESA is "well off".

Please bear in mind though that £50 odd is not fixed and as soon as they get a job their financial situation improves.

Many disabled people have no chance of getting better so no chance of an improved financial situation.

Also with the current system many fear, like myself, of being declared "fit for work" and the ESA being stopped come review time- can be a matter of months in between. That means having to appeal which means managing on a reduced rate for a long period of time, current, imminent plans mean before an appeal is officially declared there will be a mandatory reconsideration phase, no money payable, and no time limits on how long the DWP can take to complete this.

"not to be sniffed at" is not the reality which keeps me awake with worry at night. And I am lucky enough to still live at home- and no we won't be affected by the bedroom tax because no HB is claimed.

I also agree with the principle with the bedroom tax- if you have a room you don't need then you should pay- but the concessions for the disabled don't go far enough. It should be looked at by a knowledgeable panel of say three people (like benefit appeals) and judged case by case for disabled people. But the Government will never do that, they didn't even want to allow people who need overnight care a room for their carer, even though in many cases they are saving the Government a fortune!

I do agree with you, KxMx, that unemployed people may find employment, but not everyone on ESA will never be able to work and, where there is disability that is severe enough that someone may never work, the possibility is that they will be receiving DLA too, however, I understand where you are coming from.

I do agree that there will be vulnerable people and one can only hope that their cases will be taken into consideration, so your suggestion of a panel to decide is not a bad one, however, financial constraints would make it unviable, especially as there will be many who could pay, who will decide to go before panel on the off chance, using up valuable money and time resources.

Dunroamin

Mojisola wrote: »

I think the last couple of generations have been reasonably well-looked after financially and have got used to a level of independence that goes with that.

Although I understand what you mean, in another way the complete opposite is true!

Dunroamin

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

I know that you don't find it patronising I didn't expect the "regulars" to agree with me but then that is because you are in this "bubble" of a message board and I am looking in sorry if that sounds patronising.

You doll out advice when it isn't asked for, which seems to extend to telling others how they should live their lifes It's a fine line I appreciate that and I'm sure much of it is well intentioned.

You're doing it again!

If you can't be bothered to communicate properly, why should anyone be bothered to reply?

(When you've spent much of your working life advising people and having people appreciating it, it's difficult to remember that some just don't want to be helped!)

Dunroamin

jayII wrote: »

The situation is incredibly unfair, for you and many others at the moment. Life is really tough sometimes but I don't believe we will be in a recession forever so with luck the tough cuts won't last more than a couple of years.

No blind person should be forced to relocate without extremely good reasons. I for one believe you have a good moral case to argue your right to stay in the same flat or house due to needing a familiar environment.

Unfortunately I'm not a legal expert so have no idea where the law stands on that.

As you're new to this, it might be worth pointing out that nannytone has only moved to her current flat quite recently - it isn't her long term family home.