Stronger Rights For Tenants, Please vote

jyonda

pickles110564 wrote: »

That's why they are in rented because they are to lazy to get of their @rse and earn some money and join into the property ladder for themselves.

If you hate your job why don't you get off your @rse and do something else?

You really don't see your tenants as people do you?

Guy_Montag

pickles110564 wrote: »

You really don't live in the real world do you.
Tenant's will not bother paying the last month's rent before they leave because they know that the !!!!!! condition they leave the property in and all the nice new beds etc that have been left for their use, will never have been cleaned, the toilet will have things growing in it, the oven will be full of dried grease and fat.
Tenant's in jobs so that you could get a charge against them, right ho, dream world again.That's why they are in rented because they are to lazy to get of their @rse and earn some money and join into the property ladder for themselves.

No wonder your tenants treat your place like !!!!!! if you behave with them that way - you really have no place in society, let alone as a landlord if you look on your customers like that.

jyonda

PROFESSIONAL_LANDLORD wrote: »

jyonda wrote: »

Why do SOME LL's feel sorry for themselves when they've never had it so good? Why do SOME think they can make things up as they go along? Why don't they LISTEN to their tenants? Even the fair minded and noblest of LL's on these boards seem totally ignorant of the fact that the tenant is the customer and a business should give it's customers what they want.
If people want longer term contracts/greater security then the market should respond accordingly.
IT DOES
The difference here is that this market is something people genuinely NEED and can't easily choose to move so the market takes advantage and the power is in the wrong hands. NONSENSE !

The rental market responding to customers wishes is capitalism not communismQUOTE]

communism = envyism

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OK SOME LL's are whining and make it up as they go along. Shouldn't be allowed to make it up IMHO.
Every AST I've come across is a 12 month contract with a 6 month minimum break clause and 2 months notice on both sides. If I asked for a longer break on the LL's side or no break at all for 2 years they'd laugh at me. At best they'd say no it's not standard etc.

You didn't say why it's nonsense.

Envious of who? I've said before I don't aspire to be a LL.

Dumbledore55

This has developed into a full scale row rather than a structured debate. I'll leave you to it but reiterate, there are good and bad tenants and landlords and each situation should be judged on its own merit.

Be kind to each other!

jyonda

Dumbledore55 wrote: »

Not everyone is out to make a huge proft when they rent out property and Landlords sometimes have personal difficulties too.

Due to some massive changes to my personal life I had to buy a second property in November 2004 and move quickly. I have rented my other property out since then having gone into debt to put the deposit down on my new home. The rent has barely covered my outgoings and I have carried out all the repairs and had all the required certificates each year.

I have had the stress of tenants moving out and the property being empty for months - when I have had to pay 2 mortgages and I've had to clean up the disgusting mess they've left behind - I don't think they'd cleaned the toilet in the year they'd rented!

Now I am selling the property and I have served my current tenants notice to quit. I'm now on tenterhooks in case they refuse to leave, which apparently they can do............how is that fair? Increasing tenants rights could make it even more difficult for people like me to legitimately claim back their own property and sell it. Should I be required by law, to rent out for the rest of my life because I chose to do so for a couple of years, no matter what my financial circumstances are?

There are good and bad tenants like there are good and bad landlords. I honestly believe the rights of landlords and tenants currently are about right. Can I say that no matter how rich I am, I will never rent property out again - it's far too much hassle but it was the only way I could manage a very difficult time in my life.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for you that you didn't turn a profit because you didn't know what you were letting yourself in for? Seems like being a LL wasn't the convenient option you thought it was. It was your choice, did you really absolutely have to buy another property? What was wrong with renting? Did you use a professional letting agent to handle your property? Why did you not have the property professionally cleaned and deducted from the deposit? You seem very concerned with how the notice to quit affects you but I assure you it will be far more hassle for the tenant.
You've benefitted from an extra 2 years of HPI so what are you complaining about?

Dumbledore55

jyonda wrote: »

Are we supposed to feel sorry for you that you didn't turn a profit because you didn't know what you were letting yourself in for? Seems like being a LL wasn't the convenient option you thought it was. It was your choice, did you really absolutely have to buy another property? What was wrong with renting? Did you use a professional letting agent to handle your property? Why did you not have the property professionally cleaned and deducted from the deposit? You seem very concerned with how the notice to quit affects you but I assure you it will be far more hassle for the tenant.
You've benefitted from an extra 2 years of HPI so what are you complaining about?

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Gold_Shogun

peter999 wrote: »

{A} ... All the landlords here seem to be perfect landlords, in their own dream world !!

{B} ... Would your tenants agree ??

{C} ... No doubt some of you will say, you don't really care whether the tenants agree with you.

{A} ... If you can be bothered to do the research, you will find that the number of cases of Bad Tenants is FAR MORE than the number of cases of Bad Landlords ... NO "dream world", just simple facts & reality.

{B} ... Yes they would ... And they regularly give me their vote of confidence by repeatedly renewing their tenancies every year ... I have had some tenants for over 5 years, and my dad has had some loyal tenants for over 18 years (& in one or two cases where the renter has died of natural causes, my Dad has even paid for the tenant's funerals out of his own pocket rather than see them get a "pauper's burial" ... So stuff that in your pipe, you arrogant anti-landlord bigot).

{C} ... I (like many other landlords) care VERY much whether my tenants are happy with the property ... A happy tenant is MUCH more likely to want to stay in the property long-term, which is easier & better for the landlord.

Perhaps you'd do better engaging your brain before your mouth :rolleyes:

PROFESSIONAL_LANDLORD

OK SOME LL's are whining and make it up as they go along. Shouldn't be allowed to make it up IMHO.
Every AST I've come across is a 12 month contract with a 6 month minimum break clause and 2 months notice on both sides. If I asked for a longer break on the LL's side or no break at all for 2 years they'd laugh at me. At best they'd say no it's not standard etc.


We rent out property to South lanarkshire council the leases all run for 2 years ! If we were asked by any prospective tenant for a 2 year lease with a 1 month notice either side I would do the following :j most LLs don't want their property back every 6 months, NO WAY! most LLs are in BTL for the long term.

The difference here is that this market is something people genuinely NEED and can't easily choose to move so the market takes advantage and the power is in the wrong hands. NONSENSE !
You didn't say why it's nonsense.

If an indvidual where to work abroad and rent their property for a short period, would you consider it reasonable for them to be homeless on their return ? If the dark days of the seventies returned where the tenant had it their own way, I for one would throw the towel in and I reckon many others would as well. This would create a shortage of private rented property, hence why the law was changed in the first place.

Envious of who? I've said before I don't aspire to be a LL.[/QUOTE]


You know It wasen't directed at you, so don't ACT DAFT.

jyonda

PROFESSIONAL_LANDLORD wrote: »

We rent out property to South lanarkshire council the leases all run for 2 years ! If we were asked by any prospective tenant for a 2 year lease with a 1 month notice either side I would do the following :j most LLs don't want their property back every 6 months, NO WAY! most LLs are in BTL for the long term.

If an indvidual where to work abroad and rent their property for a short period, would you consider it reasonable for them to be homeless on their return ? If the dark days of the seventies returned where the tenant had it their own way, I for one would throw the towel in and I reckon many others would as well. This would create a shortage of private rented property, hence why the law was changed in the first place.

You know It wasen't directed at you, so don't ACT DAFT.

Renting to a council isn't the same as renting to a private individual.

I'm sure you would do :j but that's not what I said. I would like to see 6 months notice on the LL side.
Most BTL may be in it for the long term but then they always have the option of selling up at a moments notice to the tenant. If someone were to work abroad they should be upfront about their return. Currently they have no obligation to do so. They can offer a 12 month contract then terminate it with 2 months notice after month 6. This flexibility comes at the expense of the tenant. If the BTL crowd decided to throw in the towell I for one wouldn't see this as a bad thing as it would surely drive down prices and maybe those who just want to buy a roof over their heads would not be beholden to those who regard them as little more than cattle.

If it wasn't directed at me then who?

scrummy_mummy_2

ooohh this thread's all gone horribly wrong!!!
1. Treat others as you yourself would wish to be treated.
2. When someone treats you badly, deal with the situation calmly, equitably,fairly and with honour because two wrongs don't make a right.
3. At all times keep your dignity and be true to value number 1 and you can't go wrong.
4. Try to anticipate problems. When faced with one NEVER decide what to do immediately...give yourself a day to think about it, work through the options and then take proactive action.
5. Remember, client problems/queries/issues are not personally aimed at you. Try to be dispassionate and see it from their side too.

Just for the record, I am a landlord who is in it for the long term and I do treat my clients as I would wish to be treated. If my property is looking a bit shabby and I wouldn't be happy to live in it, I will happily replace/repair it WITHOUT being asked to!

I have, in the past been 'tucked up' by tenants and lost thousands, but dealt with it as per the above 'rules' which I apply in ALL aspects of my life.
I have learnt from this experieince and will do my utmost to avoid being 'caught' again, but do not for one second regret how I handled it and bear no shame.
I don't make a packet from my properties...in fact, I have had them for 7 years and anticipate that it will take another 5 years before I turn a recordable 'profit'.
I would be !!!! a hoop if a tenant wanted to stay for 2 years, but will always only ever sign a 6 month initial AST because life changes and I don't know what I'll be doing in 6 months so how can anyone else?...after that, they can have a periodic until they decide to leave in 1, 2 5 or 20 years.

The tenant/Landlord animosity will rage on for ever because it is one of the last remaining 'obvious' differences between those who are perceived to 'have' and those who are percieved to 'have not'

The issue is not who is worse, but can we ever get over that divide?