Green Deal MSE Guide Discussion

tinnease

Decided to go ahead and have a green deal assessment. We got all the paperwork through and our house was given the lowest possible score on the EPC !!

Old house with no insulation or central heating, had a few people out and not one came back to me with a quote for loft insulation, my guess is because we have 7 smallish lofts so not profitable?

Decided to try for internal wall insulation, same story with only one firm quoting for the job, ready for this.....Just over £40000 yes that's right forty thousand pounds.

We can put it on green deal for a £10000 deposit and £200 a month for 25 years.

So here's the thing I have possibly the most inefficient type of UK house , I am disabled on ESA and no spare cash.

Help is there to make improvements to an inefficient house but at what trade off? Profit over environment

There's not so much profit in non estate type houses and no one to force company's to include non standard properties

So.... not so green deal is it! as given no choices I will have use lots more energy heating an inefficient house.

lyndamb

I have recently moved home and thought I would take advantage of these schemes to heat my home and especially as I have health and disability issues to have a new boiler.

I have not found Energy advice very helpful at all and ended up phoning round big suppliers. I finally received the energy certificate but still I am in the dark as to what i actually qualify for as a pensioner on pension credit. Everyone is extremely vague. I have now been told that the recommendations on the energy certificate are "merely a courtesy required by the Government. As I have only recently moved into the house i have no idea how difficult it will be to keep warm or when I will need to switch the heating on. None of this matters as they use recommended % ages for their calculations. I have asked over and over again if i am likely to qualify for the old boiler i have to be replaced and been told that this will depend on the next assessor who will work out the cost and what i will have to pay. Odd that I thought Martin had said if you are on pension credit and DLA you should qualify for no cost. Seems this is unlikely to be the case or they would be happy to tell me when I ask. I am finally having this 2nd assesment and I am guessing that I am going to be sadly dissapointed and all this hassle will have been a complete waste of my time.

I also agree with the concerns of some other posts. I used to know someone who ran many of these Government schemes. He took great pride in boasting that the loft insulation especially was a "licence to print money" and went on to become extremely rich on the back of it. Something free always looks good but as always there are no proper spot checks done and companies have as much flexibilty as they want to do what they want. Some of the companes I asked was it possible to have a local installer do the work after the energy assessment and was told it had to be the companies installer who did it and most of them have waiting lists of 3 or more months!!!! is this scheme really to benefit consumers ?????

I hope I am wrong in my estimation of this scheme but only time will tell.

Smiley_Dan

tinnease wrote: »

Old house with no insulation or central heating, had a few people out and not one came back to me with a quote for loft insulation, my guess is because we have 7 s.

Get a local odd job man to fit it. There are a few things to bear in mind but it's not difficult.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Gateshead-based Tivium Limited charged £299 for a GD assessment, less than 1% of Tivium's 6,000 Green Deal assessments have resulted in equipment being installed.

........................ still trading, still taking money !

captainhindsight_2

Gee33 wrote: »

I had a Green Deal Assessment done this year after I read a case study on the DEC website about a single mother who had her DOUBLE GLAZING replaced with DOUBLE GLAZING. So after paying £150 for my assessment I was told that I was not able to have my windows done because they were already double glazed!!! The fact that they had rotting wooden frames, in a poor state, let in drafts and experienced condensation was of no concern to the assessor who used a standard system to input his results. What a waste of £150!!! The deal needs to be re-named "the complex, interchangable rules and make it up as you go along deal"!!!

There is an update in the software the assessors use to address this issue, the update i think is 2nd November.

It may be worth giving the assessor a call after this date to see if they can relodge this will mean you should be able to get support to upgrade existing double glazing with new double glazing

captainhindsight_2

tinnease wrote: »

Decided to go ahead and have a green deal assessment. We got all the paperwork through and our house was given the lowest possible score on the EPC !!

Old house with no insulation or central heating, had a few people out and not one came back to me with a quote for loft insulation, my guess is because we have 7 smallish lofts so not profitable?

Decided to try for internal wall insulation, same story with only one firm quoting for the job, ready for this.....Just over £40000 yes that's right forty thousand pounds.

We can put it on green deal for a £10000 deposit and £200 a month for 25 years.

So here's the thing I have possibly the most inefficient type of UK house , I am disabled on ESA and no spare cash.

Help is there to make improvements to an inefficient house but at what trade off? Profit over environment

There's not so much profit in non estate type houses and no one to force company's to include non standard properties

So.... not so green deal is it! as given no choices I will have use lots more energy heating an inefficient house.

There is help available, it is just the help is limited to either Cashback available or by the savings fitting the insulation will make.

If you post what recommendations were made in the Epc, and a rough size of your house I will be able to let you know what prices you should be looking at for the improvements you are interested in.

Briezzee

Just a word of caution for anyone thinking of applying when the GDHIF reopens. I was one of the 'lucky' ones who managed to get a voucher and having had both measures installed - doors and a boiler - at the beginning of August I'm still battling to get my money. It took over three hours of phone calls over a number of weeks to many different departments to get Anglian to send me the PAS 2030 form and I found a link on the web for a blank one I gave to the boiler installers as they didn't even know what it was! Eventually I had all the necessary paperwork and it was received on the 2nd September. I was told I should hear within 10 days if there was a problem. On the 12th I phoned to check and was told everything was fine, but due to overwhelming demand it may take up to 30 days for me to get my money. On the 30th I received an email claiming I hadn't sent the paperwork. When I phoned and eventually got through they told me that the receipt for my GDAR payment wasn't valid - it had to be an invoice, that the bill for my doors was wrong because it didn't say 'Invoice' on it and that the Anglian PAS 2030 form was wrong. Several more phone calls to the fund administrators and Anglian later they have now accepted that the original PAS 2030 was correct, but they still refuse to accept the payment receipts. On the third attempt the GDAR company managed to supply an acceptable invoice. I'm still waiting on one from Anglian as they had to spilt it into two as I had both doors and windows installed. I'm now told it could take another 30 WORKING days for payment. And if I'm understanding it right, in the new terms and conditions you could have to pay back any money you do receive if the European Union deems it so! I wholeheartedly wish I had never embarked on this, but I'm already out of pocket by several hundred pounds as I went with Anglian as they were the only Green Deal window installers I could get a quote from. I need the extra cash to pay for the solar panels I'm waiting to have installed as nowhere is doing Green Deal finance at the moment. Hopefully it will be before the tariff drops again.

captainhindsight_2

Briezzee wrote: »

Just a word of caution for anyone thinking of applying when the GDHIF reopens. I was one of the 'lucky' ones who managed to get a voucher and having had both measures installed - doors and a boiler - at the beginning of August I'm still battling to get my money. It took over three hours of phone calls over a number of weeks to many different departments to get Anglian to send me the PAS 2030 form and I found a link on the web for a blank one I gave to the boiler installers as they didn't even know what it was! Eventually I had all the necessary paperwork and it was received on the 2nd September. I was told I should hear within 10 days if there was a problem. On the 12th I phoned to check and was told everything was fine, but due to overwhelming demand it may take up to 30 days for me to get my money. On the 30th I received an email claiming I hadn't sent the paperwork. When I phoned and eventually got through they told me that the receipt for my GDAR payment wasn't valid - it had to be an invoice, that the bill for my doors was wrong because it didn't say 'Invoice' on it and that the Anglian PAS 2030 form was wrong. Several more phone calls to the fund administrators and Anglian later they have now accepted that the original PAS 2030 was correct, but they still refuse to accept the payment receipts. On the third attempt the GDAR company managed to supply an acceptable invoice. I'm still waiting on one from Anglian as they had to spilt it into two as I had both doors and windows installed. I'm now told it could take another 30 WORKING days for payment. And if I'm understanding it right, in the new terms and conditions you could have to pay back any money you do receive if the European Union deems it so! I wholeheartedly wish I had never embarked on this, but I'm already out of pocket by several hundred pounds as I went with Anglian as they were the only Green Deal window installers I could get a quote from. I need the extra cash to pay for the solar panels I'm waiting to have installed as nowhere is doing Green Deal finance at the moment. Hopefully it will be before the tariff drops again.

The problem here was Anglican not providing the correct paperwork or support, not the GDHIF.

That bit about the eu that's just if one individual receives upto 300000euros so a landlord with a few properties they will ask them to pay anything above that back.

mellyj.t

I applied for the green deal 2 years ago...I paid £150 for the assessment (which I couldn't afford but was hoping it was an investment). I was told I would be contacted and was given a telephone number. No one contacted me. I rang the number a couple of times & was told they were waiting for the finance to be put in place. I tried ringing again but got a very rude reply or just hung up on.
Still waiting for the call, boiler & loft installation, but the assessment only lasts 2 years so there you go...rubbish!

dagrowler

I'm having a new boiler fitted this week through the (maybe) ECO deal using N Power. I'll believe it when I see it but it's all going quite straight forward so far.