Yoof need a reality check

ruggedtoast

Tancred wrote: »

It's all to do with political correctness and excessive mollycoddling. I grew up at at time when teachers could hit pupils and cane them, and when fathers were 'real' fathers. Now parents just throw money at the brats to keep them from whining. Tough love is often the best type of love to give - otherwise the brats will end up as weak adults who'll be incapabable of struggling in life and give up at the slightest setback. The heroes of the Battle of Britain were brought up in schools that dished out the cane with liberal abandon. The modern generation would (Text removed by MSE Forum Team) their pants if they were asked to face a similar challenge.

I'm not sure if you were beaten too much, or not enough. In any case whatever the improving intentions were of your deliberators I fear they were wasting their time.

hos56jph

rests in the palm of the hand.

GeorgeHowell

thescouselander wrote: »

On the contrary. Boomers are completely useless. There are hardly any boomers left where I work now because they were all made redundant - the dead wood had to be cut out because of the current economic climate. I can understand why this happened. When you need to make a business more efficient do you get rid of the young, enthusiastic and capable employees or the old fat bloke in the corner who spends most of his time surfing the Saga website for his next holiday? The verdict seems clear to me.

They probably got weary of all the institutionalised ageism in their organisations, the lack of utitlisation of their experience, and the preoccupation with rewarding only the young who are in a position to vote with their feet. So their motivation switched off and they were glad to accept early retirement offers when available. Now the younger employees who think they can do the jobs better have their chance -- for about twenty years until its their turn in the barrel.

Regarding allegedly p******g money away on gap years, that is a lifestyle choice anyone is entitled to make. However there is little credibility to spending large amounts of money on that and them coming back and moaning about how difficult it it is to accumulate a deposit for a home purchase, or to compete in the job market with those who have spent the year gathering valuable work experience. The same applies to spending large amounts on lavish weddings and honeymoons which has also been mentioned. These are legitimate life choices and prioritisation decisions. But those making them need to appreciate that they can't have their cake and eat it, and are certainly not entitled to blame anyone else for the consequences.

moneyinmypocket

Yoof of the land take notice boomers will win hands down in any challenge you set, the battle lines are drawn and only one can survive

Mr._Pricklepants

thescouselander wrote: »

On the contrary. Boomers are completely useless. There are hardly any boomers left where I work now because they were all made redundant - the dead wood had to be cut out because of the current economic climate. I can understand why this happened. When you need to make a business more efficient do you get rid of the young, enthusiastic and capable employees or the old fat bloke in the corner who spends most of his time surfing the Saga website for his next holiday? The verdict seems clear to me.

Back in the real world : Hiring Managers Prefer Older Workers to Millennials

http://blog.aarp.org/2012/09/26/hiring-managers-prefer-older-workers-to-millennials/

Hiring managers said “mature workers” were more reliable, more professional and had better writing skills, among other benefits. Younger workers were seen as having a less positive work ethic and being less skilled at time management.

chem1st

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Yoof also should learn that it's not polite to fiddle with their iPhones at the table.

Happy Boomer Family:

(as you can see, no iPhones)

Yoof of today:

The boomers in the picture have a dining room, a table and two children. And jobs that paid a wage to enable the above.

The youth are squeezed upon a commercial building's table, playing with phones. What is a phone? A week's wages (or less - I know mine was but 10 hours wages, just a day's work).

It must be the expensive phones, and the wasting of a week/day's wage, that have priced them out of home-ownership! (And let's not forget that people need phones to access employment!)

Don't be daft. It's high house prices and high rents - even social housing costs much more nowadays than it did in the past. And wages have fallen in real terms whilst productivity has risen.

And it's funny how boomers lament young people for having phones and tv's (another item that costs but a week's wages). The people who I see fiddling about with new phones (and they can't even use them), are old men! Most young people I know have very old phones and often 2nd hand ones. The people with the biggest TV's are boomers, paid for with generous pensions, some of which could be accessed at age 55.

SingleSue

Tancred wrote: »

It's all to do with political correctness and excessive mollycoddling. I grew up at at time when teachers could hit pupils and cane them, and when fathers were 'real' fathers. Now parents just throw money at the brats to keep them from whining. Tough love is often the best type of love to give - otherwise the brats will end up as weak adults who'll be incapabable of struggling in life and give up at the slightest setback. The heroes of the Battle of Britain were brought up in schools that dished out the cane with liberal abandon. The modern generation would (Text removed by MSE Forum Team) their pants if they were asked to face a similar challenge.

My children have not been mollycoddled, they have not had the experience of the cane or the slipper and because I abhor violence, smacking is not allowed in the house (I prefer proactive parenting rather than reactive)

Eldest is now 19, he is a full time student who also works part time (long hours in the holidays). He walks for an hour to get to that job despite constantly dislocating joints due to a disability. He refuses to claim any benefits for his joints (or for his heart condition for that matter) or allow any kind of concession for it.

He is also a young carer and has been since he was at primary school, he volunteers at a youth club and is a leader at Beavers...he walks to all of these groups despite it again being over an hour away from our house.

He can budget his money, cook, clean and survive on his own. He is fiercely independent. Any item he has, he has worked hard and saved hard for...no expecting others to purchase it for him.

He is polite, helpful, law abiding and has a respect for those in authority, he is also amazing in a crisis, jumping in to help out organise things..oh and he is absolutely determined and a setback would be just that, a setback and something to overcome...he loves a challenge.

Mr._Pricklepants

chem1st wrote: »

What is a phone? A week's wages (or less - I know mine was but 10 hours wages, just a day's work).

It must be the expensive phones, and the wasting of a week/day's wage, that have priced them out of home-ownership!

Yep, the Iphone, it's just a week's work, and the Ipad, that's also only a week's work, the friday night booze is only 2 day's work, the phone contract with limitless data and a gazillion texts is only 4 hours work, the Dr. Dre headphones are only a day's work, the Superdry jacket is a day's work and the Sky subscription is only a couple of hours work...shall I go on?

There's a saying many yoof probably haven't heard about; 'Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves'

ukcarper

chem1st wrote: »

Don't be daft. It's high house prices and high rents - even social housing costs much more nowadays than it did in the past. And wages have fallen in real terms whilst productivity has risen.

And it's funny how boomers lament young people for having phones and tv's (another item that costs but a week's wages). The people who I see fiddling about with new phones (and they can't even use them), are old men! Most young people I know have very old phones and often 2nd hand ones. The people with the biggest TV's are boomers, paid for with generous pensions, some of which could be accessed at age 55.

Just a couple of things to think about in 1972 in realation to earnings house prices were very similar to now.

Using RP1 £100 in 1972 is now worth just over £1000 while someone earning £100 would be earning just over £1740.

chem1st

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Yep, the Iphone, it's just a week's work, and the Ipad, that's also only a week's work, the friday night booze is only 2 day's work, the phone contract with limitless data and a gazillion texts is only 4 hours work, the Dr. Dre headphones are only a day's work, the Superdy jacket is a day's work and the Sky subscription is only a couple of hours work...shall I go on?

There's a saying many yoof probably haven't heard about; 'Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves'

No iphone.
No ipad.
No friday night boozing.
No phone contract.
No Dr Dre headphones
No Superdry jacket.
No Sky
No TV.

No debt either.

I do smoke a lot though (pound a day habit - looking to get that down though, have started growing my own tobacco).
And I do drink a fair bit (homebrew is cheap).

It would appear that some of the youth of today are a bit more savvy eh.

Whilst I don't know many boomers with Dr Dre headphones or superdry jackets I know plenty in large houses with expensive music systems and clothes, expensive cars, SKY tv, large Tv screens, contract phones, house phones, ipads, iphones, kindles, multiple holidays per year, large mortgages or debts secured on their property, credit card debt, multiple visits to the pub per week, etc.

For them to preach to me and my generation is a damn joke. They have gone on the biggest debt fueled spending spree ever - look at the national debt. Look at personal debt.

And these people got free education, a more generous benefit system, higher real term wages, a labour market with nigh on full employment, affordable private housing, easy access to council housing and the right to buy. They also got more generous pensions and to retire earlier.

Boomer hypocrites.

Now then, I don't doubt that some boomers were responsible, and I do not deny some 'yoof' are irresponsible. But when we look at the groups as a whole, then it is the boomers who look like !!!!less feral layabouts with no financial sense.

Recent figures for drinking show that youth drinking continues to fall (whilst the elderly now visit the pub more often!).

Teen pregnanices are down. Birth rates have been below replacement level for 41 years.

Word of warning to boomers - give the youth some respect, for it is them whom you expect to pay your unfunded pensions, provide your care and buy your freehold tenures.