Petrol Threat To Cons Chances

DecentLivingWage

ess0two wrote: »

We buy crude oil here,not petrol.

FWIW the UK has far too much Petrol capacity.

yup,correct - and it is also being stockpiled, and wholesalers are being investigated next week - doesnt alter fact that pound is getting weaker and all fossil fuels are getting more expensive and our new currency woes are making things worse!

grizzly1911

A._Badger wrote: »

According to Treasury figures from November 2012, had Labour remained in power and kept up its 'let's play tree-huggers' facade, petrol would now be 10p per litre more expensive than it is under the Coalition.

I don't understand why the conservatives didn't just say we are withdrawing all previously planned increases, by the previous government, shortly after they took office.

Immediate win.

They could then have chosen when to introduce duty increases as part of the the normal budget process. It would have been accepted as the usual inflation indexing

Do they enjoy being beaten over the head and then rely on the argument "It would have been Xp worse under the previous lot therefore fuel is actually Yp cheaper".? Nobody is interested in what might have been.

The escalator always was just an excuse to introduce above inflation increases under the "green" banner regardless of who introduced it or managed it.

One thing that does seem to get lost in this debate is that they did impose a 2.5% VAT increase on fuel.

Moby

Generali wrote: »

Let's be frank, you're wrong.

You can squirm as much as you like but you're wrong.

I my view the role of the 'nurse' is dependent on the values of public service, duty, caring etc. The banker/speculator role is motivated by financial gain, self aggrandizement, self interest etc. Can't really say it any clearer than that.

Moby

A._Badger wrote: »

And his opinion was worth what his opinions usually are. Nothing.

You, meanwhile, need to get that chip on your shoulder seen to. Cameron may be a useless, arrogant fool - but he is a useless, arrogant fool because he is a useless, arrogant fool - not because of his background, which, like a good class warrior, is all you seem able to see.

So much for an Oxford education. Clearly, the old place isn't what it was.

Your view of my education would perhaps be a tad more valid if you had actually addressed the point I made.
I didn't describe posh boy as 'useless' or a 'fool'. What I said was very different....'his background is important because it defines him as a person. It defines his thinking, attitudes and values.'.......that's what I actually said. I went on to describe who he chooses to associate with etc....it really isn't difficult is it!

Fella

grizzly1911 wrote: »

I don't understand why the conservatives didn't just say we are withdrawing all previously planned increases, by the previous government, shortly after they took office.

Unfortunately Governments never do this. They huff & puff when they're in opposition then when they get in office & have the ability to easily reverse the things they complained about, they go silent on the topic & do nothing.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

Your view of my education would perhaps be a tad more valid if you had actually addressed the point I made.
I didn't describe posh boy as 'useless' or a 'fool'. What I said was very different....'his background is important because it defines him as a person. It defines his thinking, attitudes and values.'.......that's what I actually said. I went on to describe who he chooses to associate with etc....it really isn't difficult is it!

Only in the eyes of a bigoted class warrior. Most people are capable of empathy: I have some insight into the life of someone living in terrible poverty or splendor and riches without ever having experienced either thing.

Fella

The thing that's so tedious about class warriors is not the rancour & jealousy (although that's bad enough). It's the utter hypocrisy: Poor people are just as greedy as rich people. You ever met a poor person who hopes to one day move house to a worse area? Or who rejects a pay rise? Or who scratches a scratchcard & hopes they lose?

We're all greedy, for the very good reason that nature built us that way to help us survive. It's against human nature to want your situation to be worse.

Many people are too lazy to put in the work necessary to improve their situation though, so they just moan about it & accuse everyone richer than them of being posh/privileged/greedy or whatever. They usually make some absurd claim about how they could be better off if they wanted to but they're not prepared to {insert some made up nonsense like "be a spiv banker" here}

Moby

Generali wrote: »

Only in the eyes of a bigoted class warrior. Most people are capable of empathy: I have some insight into the life of someone living in terrible poverty or splendor and riches without ever having experienced either thing.

Good for you and so have I.......but if you assume the posh boy types think the same way ...you are being naive.....Again I draw you back to the historical background and the people he chooses to associate with....that is the driving factor of his attitude and philosophy on life. Its about being privileged and 'expected' to succeed, life chances, opportunities, networking accessibility to others who can help you, give you a leg up etc
British society is known for being very class ridden generally...surely this is basic stuff?

Fella

Moby wrote: »

Its about being privileged and 'expected' to succeed, life chances, opportunities, networking accessibility to others who can help you, give you a leg up etc

So you've just described exactly the upbringing that ALL Governments (especially Labour) would like for ALL children.

So why are you so bitter about the one's who've succeeded in doing so?

There's nothing morally superior about being poor.

DecentLivingWage

grizzly1911 wrote: »

I don't understand why the conservatives didn't just say we are withdrawing all previously planned increases, by the previous government, shortly after they took office.

Immediate win.

They could then have chosen when to introduce duty increases as part of the the normal budget process. It would have been accepted as the usual inflation indexing

Do they enjoy being beaten over the head and then rely on the argument "It would have been Xp worse under the previous lot therefore fuel is actually Yp cheaper".? Nobody is interested in what might have been.

The escalator always was just an excuse to introduce above inflation increases under the "green" banner regardless of who introduced it or managed it.

One thing that does seem to get lost in this debate is that they did impose a 2.5% VAT increase on fuel.

Interesting post - what about the fair fuel stabiliser? Osborne only has a few weeks to decide what to do - rural communities (inc many Cons) are going to suffer... and be livid!