So I have been sacked for racial abuse...

Lokolo

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

People should learn to keep their discriminatory comments to themselves, or accept the consequences.

But it isn't discriminatory! That's the point. He called someone black, who was black! He didn't say anything bad against the skin colour or a race (the comment about women is entirely different though). There was nothing wrong with calling someone Black Dave.

If I said I hate Chelsea Football Club because Hazard kicked a ballboy, and someone found that offensive, you're saying I should recieve a warning/be disciplined because someone found something offensive.

I am pretty sure this is not the law!

dandelionclock30

Lokolo wrote: »

But it isn't discriminatory! That's the point. He called someone black, who was black! He didn't say anything bad against the skin colour or a race (the comment about women is entirely different though). There was nothing wrong with calling someone Black Dave.

If I said I hate Chelsea Football Club because Hazard kicked a ballboy, and someone found that offensive, you're saying I should recieve a warning/be disciplined because someone found something offensive.

I am pretty sure this is not the law!

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I cant believe this I really cant. The guy had absolutley no need to mention the ladies skin colour at all.By doing so it was offensive and rude and race is a protected characteristic. You really need to get your head around this fact. A person in employment cannot be making inappropriate remarks about a persons race.
It doesnt matter that shes black, its like calling someone disabled Joan, or Gay Garry etc.Its not on.
The chelsea football club senario is no comparison either.They are not a protected group.
If the guy had been there over a year he still would have had no leg to stand on either.

Ynayesta

If I were to employ someone to represent my company/the company of which I am a part of, in a place of entertainment where many member of the public not only interact with them but will rely on them for safety. i'd be looking for someone with a high work ethic, whose attitude is one that radiates professionalism and whose main concern is the safety, and security of the people under their care and the staff team.

Disregarding any racism, sexism or anything of the like.
*Dry banter is unprofessional.
*Be-littling banter is unprofessional.
*referring to someone by something other than their name is disrespectful, unless they have otherwise agreed (beforehand) to a nickname/introduced themselves/asked you call them something else.

I don't think you're the kind of person I would want in my working environment, as you don't display the behaviour of a person who has other people's security in high interest.


btw: Describing someone as black when they are black is not racist, however referring to someone as black because that is the main point of how you see them makes you racist, whether that racism is negative or positive is under question but it is still racist. You are looking at that person and seeing their race (or gender in the other woman's case) and then acting on that perception by actively labelling them as just their race/gender. I'd have a damn hard time not being offended by that in a working relationship/environment.

WORKING relationships, are the core of your job. They must be kept to a professional standard you HAVE to conduct yourself in a fully respectable manner if you want to be considered a respectable employee, if they are your friends or not outside of work that doesn't matter, while you have your uniform on/are on work grounds you are working with them.

maybe you can call black dave, black dave outside of work but in work it'd be their name and possibly any appropriate title (calling your boss 'Boss' is acceptable in place of their name)

I'd have let you go.


Those two guys though, I would certainly report the assault, and it is assault what they did. Not because it would help your situation, but because they assaulted you and that deserves to be acknowledged, lest they just carry on assaulting everyone they find disagreeable.

Ynayesta

Lokolo wrote: »

But it isn't discriminatory! That's the point. He called someone black, who was black! He didn't say anything bad against the skin colour or a race (the comment about women is entirely different though). There was nothing wrong with calling someone Black Dave.

If everyone from now on were to refer to you only by your race or gender you wouldn't have the slightest problem with that?

(i'm sorry I don't know your race and gender so i'm going to use white male as an example.)

your boss and colleges now gets your attention by calling out 'Oi white boy'

every time you introduce yourself by your name they say something like 'I wont remember that, I'm just going to call you penis'

Pretty sure i'd find it derogatory.

zzzLazyDaisy

Lokolo wrote: »

But it isn't discriminatory! That's the point. He called someone black, who was black! He didn't say anything bad against the skin colour or a race (the comment about women is entirely different though). There was nothing wrong with calling someone Black Dave.

I am pretty sure this is not the law!

And I am pretty sure that you are not a lawyer!

Uncertain

Lokolo wrote: »

If I said I hate Chelsea Football Club because Hazard kicked a ballboy, and someone found that offensive, you're saying I should recieve a warning/be disciplined because someone found something offensive.

I am pretty sure this is not the law!

Well you have got a lot to learn.

Unlike sexual or racial discrimination Chelsea Football Club is not a protected characteristic!

phill99

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

As I said - I don't actually make the law. I am just commenting on my take on it.

Feel free to insult me all you like...if it makes you feel like a big man. :T:T;)

You really need to deal with that chip on your shoulder.

Sambucus_Nigra

phill99 wrote: »

You really need to deal with that chip on your shoulder.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

This is the exact sort of thing that I was talking about - you insult someone and when they come back with a retort all you can do is to accuse them of having a chip on their shoulder.

But you go ahead big boy. If you need to continually put people down in order to get no point across whatsoever; then feel free. :beer:

Jamopy

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Yes I think calling someone 'black x' instead of calling her by the name she gave him was racist. That's what they used to do to the slaves - I can't be doing with calling you by your actual name, so I'm going to make one of my own up - in this instance how about Black Dave?

What complete twaddle. Calling someone black Dave may be strange (i honestly don't get the Dave part at all) but trying to equate it to slavery is beyond idiotic.

Saying 'Sorry love, I don't take orders from women,' - how can this be anything other than sexist?

If he said he didn't take orders from old people would it be ageist? If he said he didn't take orders from ginger people, would it be "gingerist"?

You sound like the type of person who goes around making it their business to get offended on other people's behalf and somehow think you're doing something constructive.

Racism is even defined by wiki as 'Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior.'

Since when is Wiki the arbiter of what a word means? Besides which, black is a neutral adjective, it doesn't "make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior".

By ignoring the name she gave and making up his own name based on her race, and not even getting the gender correct doesn't make it wry humour or banter.

You sound like exactly the sort of person who should be handing out advice on how to be funny and witty. No, seriously.

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Really? You really - honestly and truly - don't get why calling a female 'black Dave' might make them feel inferior because of their race?

You think that someone being called black makes them inferior?

You racist.

Sambucus_Nigra

Jamopy wrote: »

What complete twaddle. Calling someone black Dave may be strange (i honestly don't get the Dave part at all) but trying to equate it to slavery is beyond idiotic.
If he said he didn't take orders from old people would it be ageist? If he said he didn't take orders from ginger people, would it be "gingerist"?
You sound like the type of person who goes around making it their business to get offended on other people's behalf and somehow think you're doing something constructive.
Since when is Wiki the arbiter of what a word means? Besides which, black is a neutral adjective, it doesn't "make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior".
You sound like exactly the sort of person who should be handing out advice on how to be funny and witty. No, seriously.
You think that someone being called black makes them inferior?
You racist.

Classic. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: