So I have been sacked for racial abuse...

Macca83_2

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

go ahead big boy.

Don't be throwing sexual harassment into the mix

:rotfl:

zzzLazyDaisy

I must say, this thread has really opened my eyes to how blind and obtuse some people can be. I grew up with my cousin who is black. We lived in small, working class, town and we experienced a lot of blinkered, bigotted, prejudice, of the sort that has been spouted on this thread.

That was before the days of the Race Relations Act, and the current public awareness of racism and the high profile anti-discrimination laws.

I honestly didn't realise that such throwbacks to that earlier era still existed!

LittleMax

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

I must say, this thread has really opened my eyes to how blind and obtuse some people can be. I grew up with my cousin who is black. We lived in small, working class, town and we experienced a lot of blinkered, bigotted, prejudice, of the sort that has been spouted on this thread.

That was before the days of the Race Relations Act, and the current public awareness of racism and the high profile anti-discrimination laws.

I honestly didn't realise that such throwbacks to that earlier era still existed!

Oh there's lots of people who think nowadays it's all political correctness gone mad. It's just banter they will say ... yes, you seemed to think it was all banter in the 60's and 70's too, and no one really minded. Arrgh!!

jungle_jane

phill99 wrote: »

I can imagine you ate the type if person that wants to rename Christmas as 'winter festival' just in case 1 or 2 people might be offended.

I can imagine they would have terrible indigestion too:rotfl:

Jamopy

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Classic. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Stinging comeback. You wit you.

:hello:

Jamopy

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

I must say, this thread has really opened my eyes to how blind and obtuse some people can be. I grew up with my cousin who is black. We lived in small, working class, town and we experienced a lot of blinkered, bigotted, prejudice, of the sort that has been spouted on this thread.

That was before the days of the Race Relations Act, and the current public awareness of racism and the high profile anti-discrimination laws.

I honestly didn't realise that such throwbacks to that earlier era still existed!

And what would i know about racism compared to that. You grew up in a small town and experienced "prejudice". I grew up in central London and had a 15 year old boy from my school stabbed to death a few streets over from me because of his race.

I bow to your vast "experience".

Sambucus_Nigra

Jamopy wrote: »

Stinging comeback. You wit you.

:hello:

Oh - you were just attention seeking?

I see.

zzzLazyDaisy

Jamopy wrote: »

And what would i know about racism compared to that. You grew up in a small town and experienced "prejudice". I grew up in central London and had a 15 year old boy from my school stabbed to death a few streets over from me because of his race.

I bow to your vast "experience".

As it happens, my career was as a solicitor in employment law - specialising in discrimination law. So yes, I have a lot of experience of racism and other 'ism's as they occur in the world of employment.

But in any event, I don't understand your need to 'compete'.

The point is racism of any description is unacceptable, and where it rears its head in the workplace, employers can - and should - uphold the principles if the Equality Act, and deal with it quickly and effectively.

Given your experience of racism and the potential consequences if it is allowed to go un-hindered, I expect you would agree with that?

LittleMax

Matikata wrote: »

The girl that I called black dave was someone I've known and worked with for a while, we just never introduced ourselves. But she also didn't find it offensive (it was said under influence, and I did say it in jest and to be funny, which she found funny).

In regards to the not taking orders from women comment, I worked with her once, and she was my boss and ordered me around. In a nice way though, it's not like we don't get on or anything.

Matikata wrote: »

Fourth, I have been sacked for Racial Abuse towards the girl. I personally don't see "Black Dave" as a derogatory term for a black person in the same way "!!!!!!" would be, nor do I see her taking any offence or finding it "abusive".

She wasn't offended or insulted, so that rules that out.

A reason I know she didn't take it offensively is because of the way we talked to each other during the party, she looked genuinely happy and having a good time, and also our good working relationship during work hours after it all happened.

You seem to imply in your comments that this was all banter and well-received, and you know this to be the case because you get on well with both of the female staff members involved.

Not knowing someone's name, would be a good indicator that you don't know someone as well as you think. As would only having previously worked with someone on one occasion.

You also say that you know it was OK because of your good working relationship after it happened. However the next time you saw her after the party she had to reintroduce herself to you.

You certainly did not know these people well, and in future you would be mindful to remember that you probably don't know people as well as you think you do. Better still no matter how well you think you know someone, it's always better not to say anything that may offend.

phill99

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

This is the exact sort of thing that I was talking about - you insult someone and when they come back with a retort all you can do is to accuse them of having a chip on their shoulder.

But you go ahead big boy. If you need to continually put people down in order to get no point across whatsoever; then feel free. :beer:

I'm not putting anyone down. I'm telling the truth.