PIP debate-live now

M00minMama

One of my concerns about Motability raised by Disabled Motoring under the consultation is the stopping of payments to Motability if you are in hospital for more than 28 days, or have several admissions with less than 28 days between them.
At the moment DLA assigned to a vehicle, WAV or powerchair is paid regardless of whether you are in hospital for a long period. Under PIP there is proposed the triple whammy of 1) you're I'll enough to be in hospital for 4 weeks, 2) DLA is not paid to you OR to Motability, 3) Motability expect you to pay for the missing month to keep your vehicle/ chair even though your expected income is reduced or the vehicle must be returned!
Bearing in mind the advance payments made by scheme users would not be pro rated back due to defaulting.

To those begrudging 'free' Motability vehicles to others, this may be a car or a WAV or a specially adapted wheelchair orpowerchair . As a soon to be WAV user because i ave a large powerchair. I HAVE to make an up front payment. There are no free up front WAVs. Even so I am glad to pay the money for the ability to leave my home after 9 months of being housebound.

Taking this further, what about taking someone's powerchair which has had 000's of adaptations away? What will that person do when they cannot get around their own home, let alone get to work?

So even qualifying for PIP does not make taking on a Motability vehicle straightforward .

rogerblack

M00minMama wrote: »

Taking this further, what about taking someone's powerchair which has had 000's of adaptations away? What will that person do when they cannot get around their own home, let alone get to work?.

They're fixing all of this by taking away the home too!
(Ok, somewhat hyperbole)

To quote from another forum - on a claimant survey done by a councils housing department.

When I went door knocking I met a lady who is blind and lives in a two-bedroom property. She will get a cut in benefit due to the ‘bedroom tax’. She has lived in her home around 20 years and it has been adapted for her needs. Her neighbour acts as a carer for her too. If she is forced to move because she can’t afford to stay she will have to leave the community she loves because there are no one -bedroom properties in her area. If she moves away she will leave an area she is able to safely travel around because she knows it so well.

CTcelt1988

satarical wrote: »

Of course you could borrow the money. Your personal financial situation has nothing to do with it. How do you think able bodied people manage?

As for a car, have a look on Autotrader - you can pick something up for a couple of £1000!

If you object to PIP what would you suggest the government do to stem the ever increasing tide of DLA claims and awards?

My personal financial situation has plenty to do with it, if I cannot afford the repayments, then no bank will lend me money. You do realise that is one of the reasons why banks ended up like they did? Lending money to people who couldn't really afford to pay back the money? Making the banks wipe out hundreds of debt.

I drive a automatic car with adaptions worth £1,000, so would need a reliable car that isn't going to brake down, otherwise I would have to fork out again on another set of adaptions, I wouldn't consider a car that's 6 or 7 years old for that reason. My brother in law has bought plenty of used cars which have broken down costing him hundreds.

satarical

M00minMama wrote: »

One of my concerns about Motability raised by Disabled Motoring under the consultation is the stopping of payments to Motability if you are in hospital for more than 28 days, or have several admissions with less than 28 days between them.
At the moment DLA assigned to a vehicle, WAV or powerchair is paid regardless of whether you are in hospital for a long period. Under PIP there is proposed the triple whammy of 1) you're I'll enough to be in hospital for 4 weeks, 2) DLA is not paid to you OR to Motability, 3) Motability expect you to pay for the missing month to keep your vehicle/ chair even though your expected income is reduced or the vehicle must be returned!
Bearing in mind the advance payments made by scheme users would not be pro rated back due to defaulting.

To those begrudging 'free' Motability vehicles to others, this may be a car or a WAV or a specially adapted wheelchair orpowerchair . As a soon to be WAV user because i ave a large powerchair. I HAVE to make an up front payment. There are no free up front WAVs. Even so I am glad to pay the money for the ability to leave my home after 9 months of being housebound.

Taking this further, what about taking someone's powerchair which has had 000's of adaptations away? What will that person do when they cannot get around their own home, let alone get to work?

So even qualifying for PIP does not make taking on a Motability vehicle straightforward .

Exactly!! That is why I returned my Motability car and bought my own! (Vauxhall Insignia SRI Nav Auto diesel 18 months old for £11000) That way I am assured of my car and don't have to rely on DLA or PIP (which I will not get - so opting for AA instead when the times comes).

zaksmum

schrodie wrote: »

We'll have to leave Europe for that!

Better still!

M00minMama

satarical wrote: »

Exactly!! That is why I returned my Motability car and bought my own! (Vauxhall Insignia SRI Nav Auto diesel 18 months old for £11000) That way I am assured of my car and don't have to rely on DLA or PIP (which I will not get - so opting for AA instead when the times comes).

If I just needed a car I would be doing that too (albeit something cheap and cheerful) however my needs mean I need a wheelchair accommodating vehicle and that has to fit some awkward dimensions! This means that I can't get a low priced new or used vehicle with the right adaptations to purchase myself. I've already sold my car that I can no longer drive to fund the AP.

I guess we all have different needs from DLA and PIP and the rainbow of disabilities covered make things so complicated for a tick-box world. I understand the impact my disability has on myself although others with the same conditions may have different issues or endure greater or lesser impacts than myself.

Personally I believe we should be assessed on the impact of our conditions but I know I would find it very difficult to put myself in the shoes of someone with very different disabilities. Whilst we need the medical input from professional assessments we also need to take on board people's own assessment of living with their disabilities. This should be taken at face value.

The majority of people are honest but those found to be deceptive should have onerous penalties.

satarical

M00minMama wrote: »

If I just needed a car I would be doing that too (albeit something cheap and cheerful) however my needs mean I need a wheelchair accommodating vehicle and that has to fit some awkward dimensions! This means that I can't get a low priced new or used vehicle with the right adaptations to purchase myself. I've already sold my car that I can no longer drive to fund the AP.

I guess we all have different needs from DLA and PIP and the rainbow of disabilities covered make things so complicated for a tick-box world. I understand the impact my disability has on myself although others with the same conditions may have different issues or endure greater or lesser impacts than myself.

Personally I believe we should be assessed on the impact of our conditions but I know I would find it very difficult to put myself in the shoes of someone with very different disabilities. Whilst we need the medical input from professional assessments we also need to take on board people's own assessment of living with their disabilities. This should be taken at face value.

The majority of people are honest but those found to be deceptive should have onerous penalties.

Are they?

I have yet to meet anybody that has been totally 100% honest in both claiming any benefit and 100% honest during the continuing payment of that benefit.

No one is that honest!

Parva

satarical wrote: »

Are they?

I have yet to meet anybody that has been totally 100% honest in both claiming any benefit and 100% honest during the continuing payment of that benefit.

No one is that honest!

Sigh, the troll has still not been banned yet. To suggest that we are all telling lies about our conditions is just ridiculous. I have been 100% honest about my disabilities and didn't even get anyone from say the CAB or DIAL to help me 'word' it better yet I get HRM and HRC and frankly I need it. You yourself have in the past admitted that you were on the gravy train until they changed the rules, just look at your comments above re spending £11,000 on a car as you knew you would no longer qualify for HRM and the car that goes with it. Where the heck you found such a sum of money I don't know, mine goes on getting outside help.

Brassedoff

dori2o wrote: »

So what do you suggest is the right way to determine a level of pain? You're obviously so well versed in this you should have no problem at all giving a detailed example of how pain can be measured.

Face it, you're an idiot.

What ever the rights or wrongs, it's not measured using the McGill method in the NHS, it's tells pain consultants to use the Comparative Pain Scale. I saw this post last night and had my pain clinic appointment today. So I asked the Professor who is treating me (and I'm a 9 if anyone's asking), do they use the McGill. He said because its too easy to minipulate. He knows if or how much pain a patent is in because, or as he says it "I have been around the block once or twice"

On the subject of PIP or Blue Badges. I am not going to point out the "illnesses" that should be excluded over "disablement", but I would be a millionaire if I had a pound for the time I lose out on a disabled blue badge slot by someone with perfectly moving arms and legs moving briskly to their shop of choice.

I also note the amount of "one piece" blue badges where the clock is missing, not all of them were in that car a few hours ago until granny lent it them!

If you can walk, walk. Don't be like me and wish you could and have to be pushed in my wheelchair.

I expect there's a lot of very worried people on here about to lose cars and blue badges!


Hello again Roger Black, GlasweJen, Sunnyone and Richie-from-the-Boro, shame to see all the infighting still goes on here

Brassedoff

satarical wrote: »

Of course you could borrow the money. Your personal financial situation has nothing to do with it. How do you think able bodied people manage?

As for a car, have a look on Autotrader - you can pick something up for a couple of £1000!

If you object to PIP what would you suggest the government do to stem the ever increasing tide of DLA claims and awards?

Yesterday I had a long meeting with the County Council Welfare Rights Officer. He calculated that for the two of us, the minimum amount that we are required to live on (means tested) is £399.50 a week. On top of that comes CTB and HB (or in our case, payment of the mortgage interest) of another £70 a week. In addition there are further payments amounting to over £180 a week.

I think that that amount (£680 a week) is disgracefull!

You're having a laugh on both points aren't you? £680 a week? That circa £43,000 top line! On benefits? No wonder some people don't want to work. Imagine how much extra kids are worth?