Immigrants & Benefits

tesuhoha

My husband was telling me about the few building sites that are left. The price of property is really high but the building costs are being massively cut back on new build sites everywhere and the profit is being creamed off at the top by big business and banks. The large building companies are doing this in two ways:

They are cutting back massively on materials for instance, bathrooms are only being partly tiled, one row above basins and the bare minimum above baths. They are cutting back on the quality of materials used and on things like insulation. Yet house prices are just as high.

You would think all this profit was going to the tradesmen. Think again. British tradesmen are gradually disappearing from building sites. They are finding they cannot afford to work there because of being undercut by foreign workers (who are producing substandard work and if there is a problem they can disappear into the sunset, being completely untraceable). If British tradesmen have a mortgage, trade membership and a van to upkeep then it is not doable. These foreign workers share houses with 10 or more other people and are bussed to work in minibuses.

Also their training is paid for by the Government whereas English tradesmen have to pay their own fees. For instance my husband has to renew his Gas Safe Registration every 5 years. It costs around £2,000 with all his different qualifications. On most courses there are EU immigrants who are on the course for free, yet there is NO SHORTAGE of plumbers. That is a complete myth. There are many English plumbers looking for work after being put out of work by immigrants. I know as my husband is one of them and I know of many others who cannot find work.

The banks love immigration because all the money is being creamed off by the fat-arsed spongers at the top. Its true that the poor are getting poorer and the rich, richer. The banks are using immigration to do this. Its total bullshiit that the British are lazy. We are the ones that fought for what we have now in this country, we built the country up. Look at how this country was at the end of the 2nd World War and then say we are lazy. It wasn't immigrants that made this country a rich country. This lazy British thing is a myth that big business is putting around to justify extensive immigration.

gorgeyetsun

I've had a lot of substandard work from British Builders who charged the earth. I'm glad to have competition in the market. We all know what happens when you have a closed market.

tesuhoha

gorgeyetsun wrote: »

I've had a lot of substandard work from British Builders who charged the earth. I'm glad to have competition in the market. We all know what happens when you have a closed market.

Forcing prices down will mean that good tradesmen will no longer want to work in that industry. A foreign builder will not necessarily do a better job but will more likely be able to disappear in the event of trouble.

gorgeyetsun

tesuhoha wrote: »

Forcing prices down will mean that good tradesmen will no longer want to work in that industry. A foreign builder will not necessarily do a better job but will more likely be able to disappear in the event of trouble.

Do you really believe that high prices means a better service? Do you choose the most expensive Gas provider to supply your gas because they have the best service?

ess0two

tesuhoha wrote: »

Forcing prices down will mean that good tradesmen will no longer want to work in that industry. A foreign builder will not necessarily do a better job but will more likely be able to disappear in the event of trouble.

Its just as hard calling a British tradesman to act on shoddy workmanship,let alone a foreigner.

grizzly1911

gorgeyetsun wrote: »

Do you really believe that high prices means a better service? Do you choose the most expensive Gas provider to supply your gas because they have the best service?

Not quite the same service though. Gas is gas through the same network, it is just the "brokers fees" that are different.

Someone posted on here that polish workers slept in a tent in the garden of a property they were working on. Don't know if it was true or not but it suggests to me that the "guarantee" may be hard to enforce.

Some things in life you do get what you pay for IME.

gorgeyetsun

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Not quite the same service though. Gas is gas through the same network, it is just the "brokers fees" that are different.

Someone posted on here that polish workers slept in a tent in the garden of a property they were working on. Don't know if it was true or not but it suggests to me that the "guarantee" may be hard to enforce.

Some things in life you do get what you pay for IME.

Are we really saying that the choice is clear cut? You either have a British citizen doing your building work and they will do a top notch job and have a company that will last longer than your guarantee or you can choose to have itinerant foreign workers who will live in a tent in your garden and throw up a shoddy bit of building and do a runner with the money?

Only in MSE land. :rotfl:

grizzly1911

gorgeyetsun wrote: »

Are we really saying that the choice is clear cut? You either have a British citizen doing your building work and they will do a top notch job and have a company that will last longer than your guarantee or you can choose to have itinerant foreign workers who will live in a tent in your garden and throw up a shoddy bit of building and do a runner with the money?

Only in MSE land. :rotfl:

You know full well I am not but in MSE land people like to use examples at the extreme to make a point. I merely pointed out that you weren't comparing like with like.

Gas pricing is not relevant in comparing it to skilled craftsmen competence IMO.

Building work can vary enormously and chasing price alone is usually a recipe for disaster I have found with tradesmen as is taking them without some form of recommendation.

gorgeyetsun

grizzly1911 wrote: »

You know full well I am not but in MSE land people like to use examples at the extreme to make a point. I merely pointed out that you weren't comparing like with like.

Gas pricing is not relevant in comparing it to skilled craftsmen competence IMO.

Building work can vary enormously and chasing price alone is usually a recipe for disaster I have found with tradesmen as is taking them without some form of recommendation.

Quite so. You therefore didn't need to throw in the 'Polish workers living in tents' story in order to make your point about gas suppliers.

BertieUK

I think that anyone that comes into our country that can fill a specialised job vacancy should be seen as an asset and not a liability if the post cannot be filled any other way.

Those people that just come for a better life than what their country can give them and only want to be on benefit with no skills or wish to look for full time employment, should not get beyond the Border Gateway.

With my limited knowledge of the technical workings of the EU we should be able to make a choice of who we wish to be resident here and not be an open doorway.

Just the opinion of an Old Codger.