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Graham_Devon wrote: »Hamish is long gone!
Probably Hamish got a life outside MSE. You should try it one day.0 -
You should really cite your source for that little nugget of wisdom Hamish....
Employment rates for Europeans in the UK by national origin:
-Romania & Bulgaria (94 per cent),
-the A8 countries (81 per cent) and
-EU15 countries (76 per cent)
-UK-born workers (76 per cent).
Source: The Economic and Fiscal Impacts of Immigration
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm72/7237/7237.pdf
Which Graham will be pleased to know is an official UK Government document containing the most complete research available, unlike the briefing paper by 12 peers he posted earlier in the thread.
Anyhow, moving on...
The impact of immigration on unemployment: Precisely Zero
Our results, which appear robust to different specifications, different levels of geographic aggregation, and to a number of tests, seem to confirm the lack of any impact of migration on unemployment in aggregate. We find no association between migrant inflows and claimant unemployment. In addition, we test for whether the impact of migration on claimant unemployment varies according to the state of the economic cycle. We find no evidence of a more adverse during periods of low growth or the recent recession.
Source: NIESR
http://www.niesr.ac.uk/pdf/090112_163827.pdf
And I'm sure you'll also be delighted to learn that
Immigration INCREASES wages for 95% of the native born population.
Dustmann et al (2008) find that each 1 percent increase in the share of migrants in the UK-born working age population leads to a 0.6 percent decline in the wages of the 5% lowest paid workers, and to an increase in the wages of higher paid workers.
And for the bottom 5%, the reduction is less than a penny an hour.
Source: Migration Observatory
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/labour-market-effects-immigration“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
And Spain do not have a housing shortage.
Nothing to do with need either is it just speculative development just in case?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »Probably Hamish got a life outside MSE. You should try it one day.Posts: 13,049
umm...........0 -
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The benefits claimant rate for immigrants is significantly lower than the benefits claimant rate of the native population.
The "lazy, skiving, scrounging scumbags who choose a life on benefits" are predominantly native born British.
The native born British are native born. They did not come here to live off benefits as a lot of Europeans do, and certainly the Roumanians will. The Government should be able to say that Europeans cannot come here unless they have a minimum of £10,000 to help them find a place to live and keep themselves for 6 months, and they should not be permitted to claim benefits for AT LEAST 5 years, and certainly not the benefits that we in the UK have to actually work for, and if they do claim benefits they should be forced to do so in English and prove that they speak fluent English before they do.
I maintain that whilst we are in the EU we cannot put up the "full" sign on the country for the 2 years that we need to just to sort out the illegals that we have here. If we could do that and chuck out the ones that have no right to be here (and that right should not include financial reasons), whether they be European or otherwise, then we could start to accept advantageous immigrants.
Australia have tight immigration rules, we should have too.
I agree that some immigration is good, but who comes here should be up to US as a country, not up to unelected eurocrats that are doing the best they can to ruin a little country that used to be the best in the world. I recall France questioning how we managed to win so many medals in the Olympics, even saying that the wheels on the bicycles must have been rounder than theirs! Mainland Europe have always looked upon this island with envy in everything we did, they have now managed to exceed their own expectations in changing her for the worst and now wish to see her totally swallowed up in a massive Germanicised union. Next thing we know they will make it illegal to speak English, I recall a few years ago Germany tried to change the official language of the European "parliament" to German and the fact that it remains English annoys them to this day.
No-one will ever convince me that a Socialist European Republic would be good for England, a common market would be though.What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Employment rates for Europeans in the UK by national origin:
-Romania & Bulgaria (94 per cent),
-the A8 countries (81 per cent) and
-EU15 countries (76 per cent)
-UK-born workers (76 per cent).
I don't think those figures quite say what you think they do.
Take the A8 countries. We're sold the idea that people from these countries are arriving with the intention of work but only 81% are in employment. That's quite a low figure especially when you consider that more than 50% will be male.
Then you have to ask yourself what the skill level is - well in this group it's quite low. Don't low paid low skilled jobs attract taxpayer subsidy?
They are just being used by politicians - it's easier to import labour (it's European law - can't do anything about it see) than do something about getting our own, equally unskilled, natives into work and off benefits.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Theres a programme on Pick TV at the moment, looking at Spanish cops. They picked up someone on the streets who was an illegal immigrant. She was held, and deported 4 days later. That was that!
Precisly.
Can you imagine that here. This is one reason I think we are better off out. We just get so hung up on the letter of the law whereas the French etal take a much more practial grown up approach.0 -
Precisly.
Can you imagine that here. This is one reason I think we are better off out. We just get so hung up on the letter of the law whereas the French etal take a much more practial grown up approach.
It's because our officialdom wants it that way.They are determined to ram Europe down our throats whether we like it or not.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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