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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The benefits claimant rate for immigrants is significantly lower than the benefits claimant rate of the native population.
Are you sure that applies to our fellow EU citizens or are you thinking of the 100s of thousands of "permitted to remain" foreigners?
Basically illegal immigrants from flyblown states that are refusing to take them back, because they have destroyed their documentation, or are so corrupt that that the returning migrant will be "welcomed" into a very nasty situation by his/her government.0 -
The reason we get vexed about welfare tourism is because as ever Britain follows all the rules, whereas for example I know Brits who were told to go away by the Spanish health system recently, even a consultant there told Brits to efff off as the practical Spaniards put Spannish people first.
Similarly I've noticed in France and Italy all sorts of EU wide rules are systemically ignored, for example when both nations put terror suspects on the first plane back to Jordan whereas of course the Brits have to have a decade of testing ooman rights legislation.
You can be certain a Bulgarain turning up for benefits in Italy or France will get quite a cool reception.John_Pierpoint wrote: »Are you sure that applies to our fellow EU citizens or are you thinking of the 100s of thousands of "permitted to remain" foreigners?
Basically illegal immigrants from flyblown states that are refusing to take them back, because they have destroyed their documentation, or are so corrupt that that the returning migrant will be "welcomed" into a very nasty situation by his/her government.
It's about the attitude of governments and officials. Under Labour we had both the politicians in office and officialdom very willing to operate these rules to the letter because to do so fitted with their ideology. Anyone arriving without papers, whether claiming asylum or not, should of course be out back on the first plane to wherever they came from. It could be like that in the UK, but the real government -- the civil service -- doesn't believe in doing things that way.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Coming to a Green Belt near you?
This is the most notorious example of mainly Irish migration, there are plenty more.
It is not really surprising that the initial settlers invited their friends and relatives to join them.
Incidentally when creating camps for "travellers" it is very in-advisable to try to mix different nationalities.
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You can be certain a Bulgarain turning up for benefits in Italy or France will get quite a cool reception.
Or a one way eurostar to the UK."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »That's all perfectly true. But the socialistic tendencies of the EU, the UK civil service, the human rights industry, and the LibDems within the coalition, will no doubt continue to ensure that the hard working, tax paying, law abiding, self reliant British taxpayer continues to get serially reamed in order to ensure the survival of all sorts of parasitic scumbags, both our own and imported ones.
I agree but I don't think the conservatives can keep blaming the libdems for not following through a harder line on these issues, that is simply an excuse for issues that they know they can't really influence."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »I agree but I don't think the conservatives can keep blaming the libdems for not following through a harder line on these issues, that is simply an excuse for issues that they know they can't really influence.
I suspect that the Conservatives figure that Clegg & co are in fact a big enough bunch of idiots to commit political and electoral suicide by pulling the plug over leftie points of principle. However Cameron called Clegg's bluff over the EU treaty veto and Lord's reform. I too would like to see him start to do it more.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
The reason we get vexed about welfare tourism is because as ever Britain follows all the rules, whereas for example I know Brits who were told to go away by the Spanish health system recently, even a consultant there told Brits to efff off as the practical Spaniards put Spannish people first.
Similarly I've noticed in France and Italy all sorts of EU wide rules are systemically ignored, for example when both nations put terror suspects on the first plane back to Jordan whereas of course the Brits have to have a decade of testing ooman rights legislation.
You can be certain a Bulgarain turning up for benefits in Italy or France will get quite a cool reception.
Theres a programme on Pick TV at the moment, looking at Spanish cops. They picked up someone on the streets who was an illegal immigrant. She was held, and deported 4 days later. That was that!0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Theres a programme on Pick TV at the moment, looking at Spanish cops. They picked up someone on the streets who was an illegal immigrant. She was held, and deported 4 days later. That was that!
And Spain do not have a housing shortage.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Theres a programme on Pick TV at the moment, looking at Spanish cops. They picked up someone on the streets who was an illegal immigrant. She was held, and deported 4 days later. That was that!
All the other EU countries have left wing and socialist parties and influences, a number of which are in government. And yet it seems that none act in such a stupid and irresponsible way nor disregard the best interests of their own indigenous populations the way ours does.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The benefits claimant rate for immigrants is significantly lower than the benefits claimant rate of the native population.
The "lazy, skiving, scrounging scumbags who choose a life on benefits" are predominantly native born British.
You should really cite your source for that little nugget of wisdom Hamish....0
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