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EU-Mythbusting
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Seems to be exactly what it says. The EU give money and some member states fail in their duty to record where it went, then the EU give them more. Sounds mad to me.
It it not part of the deal that member states demonstrate what they do with the cash?
Perhaps the EU should stop doling out more cash until the recipient country does give a full account of need and use?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
100% agree. Don't think the EU bods feel the same. Once they get the cash they feel it is theirs to do what they like with. it is this cavalier attitude to others peoples money that puts me off the whole idea.grizzly1911 wrote: »Perhaps the EU should stop doling out more cash until the recipient country does give a full account of need and use?0 -
100% agree. Don't think the EU bods feel the same. Once they get the cash they feel it is theirs to do what they like with. it is this cavalier attitude to others peoples money that puts me off the whole idea.
So you expect the EU to be held to a higher level of accountability than the UK?
"Auditors have qualified the Whole of (UK) Government Accounts for the second consecutive year due to ‘significant issues’ with the quality and consistency of the data used in the financial statements."
Ah... Never mind.
It turns out the EU does operate to a higher standard than the UK.
"The Court of Auditors has given last year, as it did in previous years, a clean bill of health on the EU accounts. The Court confirms these accounts faithfully reflect how the EU budget was spent.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
You don't understand Hamish, when we say we want to get out of Europe we actually mean out of it. I.e. issue everyone with an oar & paddle like mad. Somewhere near the Caribbean would be nice.
Lots of people talk about leaving , albeit without any idea of the consequences and no idea what others that talk about it mean they want to mopve to the Caribbean.
But who are the "we" that you purport to speak for? What makes you think they all agree with you and the above?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
On a basis that we may have an opt out from the EU - Yes.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »So you expect the EU to be held to a higher level of accountability than the UK?
"Auditors have qualified the Whole of (UK) Government Accounts for the second consecutive year due to ‘significant issues’ with the quality and consistency of the data used in the financial statements."
The EU is handling other nations money and therefore should have a higher level of accountability. We cannot vote out the administration if it is found to be corrupt.0 -
We cannot vote out the administration if it is found to be corrupt.
Eh?
Do you not vote in European elections?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
chewmylegoff wrote: »Seems unlikely that EU legislation imposes only 0.1% of regulatory since pretty much every single financial regulation comes from the EU. Maybe in 2007/8 that figure was accurate but MiFID wasn't introduced until Nov 2007 and that was just the start.
Does it say financial regulation? Or just any form of regulation, that would include regulation arising from other international standards too.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »So you expect the EU to be held to a higher level of accountability than the UK?
"Auditors have qualified the Whole of (UK) Government Accounts for the second consecutive year due to ‘significant issues’ with the quality and consistency of the data used in the financial statements."
Ah... Never mind.
It turns out the EU does operate to a higher standard than the UK.
"The Court of Auditors has given last year, as it did in previous years, a clean bill of health on the EU accounts. The Court confirms these accounts faithfully reflect how the EU budget was spent.
And at the same time we have :
"The commission dismissed the ECA's finding of "serious failure to respect public procurement" with the allocation of contracts, funded by the EU to the tune of £13 million, for building a Romania-Hungary gas pipeline".
"We interpret the rules differently," said a spokesman.
Love the last bit.......Nothing new there then and there are plenty of examples like this.
Kersti Kaljulaid, an Estonian member of the ECA, also highlighted concerns over the increased frequency rate for "material error" in audited EU projects which rose by eight per cent in 2011, from 36 to 44 per cent. "It is a sign of warning, the higher the risk of messing up big time," she said.0 -
MEPs have very little power on their own. The system has been designed that way.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Eh?
Do you not vote in European elections?
For example, all members (except the French) seem to agree that the CAP is a joke, but have been totally unable to significantly alter or get rid of it for 15 years.0 -
I hear there are a couple of opinion polls out tonight with very good figures for UKIP.0
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