EU-Mythbusting

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You aint gonna like that document much Hamish. But there is PLENTY within it's 84 pages for you to digest. Most of which debunks every single one of your claims.

Oh don't worry Graham, there are plenty of other sources which debunk that document. I'll post some later today.

However you have not provided the links I asked for.

Originally Posted by Graham_Devon
Well how about the fact that the EU commisions own figures suggest the annual cost of EU regulation outweight the advantages of the single market by by 180bn euros?

How about the fact that the common agricultural policy costs each family in the UK around £1,200 extra each year in higher food bills?

How about the fact that if we left the EU, we would be free to control over 200 miles more of our own fish stocks?

How about the fact that both Norway and Switzerland export more (proportionally) to the EU than we do? How does that stand with all the scare tactics of "oh, we'll never ever hit EU legislation again" (which is amusing in itself anyway, as on one hand the pro EU suggest there isn't much legislation, on the other, they cry over how we'll never meet it and it will cost so much more).

Where are your links for those claims?

Graham_Devon

LOL, so you ignore the other document completely and then ask for links to my other claims!?

Those claims are stuff I've seen and heard, through a variety of media. Forums, TV, Radio etc. I don't have links, though I'm sure I could trawl around the web finding them. They are not outlandish claims.

The way you have simply ignored the parliament document suggests I shouldn't be wasting my time.

All you are here to do is put YOUR SLANT on stuff. This is evident by the "I'll debunk this".

It's just one side up against another. You are pro EU, for reasons we already know. I'm on the fence. I just don't see what we really get out of it, though I'm obviously against the mass immigration we currently have.

No ones right. We have the EU now. We don't really know what it would be like without it. All I'm saying is I'd like a referendum (and decent discussion on it). Your rail roading technique does not provide decent discussion and you do not want the public to have their own say. You are obviously worried about a referendum and would prefer democracy in this case squashed. You may well get it, you may not.....but people should be allowed their say, and the only reason it's being talked about is because the EU has gone far enough to annoy sufficient numbers of people.

You are getting more dictatorlike as we move on though the years. Posting polls asking for the coalition to resign in order to allow YOUR preference. Posting documents that go against a scottish referendum as it's against YOUR wishes. And all this waffle and posturing, which has led to trolling on the subject as YOU don't want people having a say on it.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Those claims are stuff I've seen and heard, through a variety of media. Forums, TV, Radio etc. I don't have links, though I'm sure I could trawl around the web finding them. They are not outlandish claims. .

So you don't have links?

And in fact, you don't have sources at all?

So basically, you just made it all up?

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So you don't have links?

And in fact, you don't have sources at all?

So basically, you just made it all up?

Hamish, give it up. Search for what I said yourself if you like, I';m sure there are plenty of links.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2949447/Personal-view-Its-official.-The-Single-Market-costs-outweigh-the-benefits.html

Theres the first one, was incredibly easy to find. So stop just pretending everything you don't like it made up nonsense by others.

A._Badger

Now let's have some real facts, as opposed to the sort of twaddle cut and pasted from EU sponsored websites.

Here is one I posted yesterday, which Hamish declined to comment on.

Can't imagine why.

UK government (ONS) figures showing the balance of trade with the EU
(in £ million)
2006 -29,616
2007 -35,235
2008 -28,582
2009 -27,421
2010 -35,534

Note the minus sign.


That's how much it costs us to be ruled by people we didn't, and cannot, elect.

Linda_D_2

The sooner we get out of the EU the better.

dad62

Long Live Our President - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Van_Rompuy

Can't seem to remember electing him. But who needs democracy anyway?

Actually it's probably just a myth that our president hasn't been elected by the people. I can't imagine that we'd allow ourselves to be bossed around by some unelected dictator. I was probably in a fugue state when the election took place. Can you post some links to the election coverage, Hamish? It might help me to remember.

Moby

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Says you, who wants house prices to rise.

But this (and if parliament itself is not a good enough source for you I don't know what is) suggests otherwise...

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/82.pdf

Misleading? And Hamish sailing ther ship? Well....who'd have thunk it.

And you'll love this, which totally debunks your main arguments....



You aint gonna like that document much Hamish. But there is PLENTY within it's 84 pages for you to digest. Most of which debunks every single one of your claims.

That parliamentary publication did not back your statements. It's called 'selective quotation' of the bits that suit your pre-concieved views. Here's one for you:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Graham_Devon

Moby wrote: »

That parliamentary publication did not back your statements. It's called 'selective quotation' of the bits that suit your pre-concieved views. Here's one for you:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

That's just about the best ever response I've seen from someone so pro-EU.

It's from Parliament, but it doesn't count, and I have confirmation bias? Yet all of your evidence, pulled from anywhere and everywhere, is fine? Indeed, you thanked Hamish for it.

This is just proof that you cannot stand the opposite viewpoint. What exactly do you want me to do? Quote the full 84 pages? It's the opening analysis of the document that I have taken the quotations from....I'm not entirely sure what you are expecting.

grizzly1911

A._Badger wrote: »

Now let's have some real facts, as opposed to the sort of twaddle cut and pasted from EU sponsored websites.

Here is one I posted yesterday, which Hamish declined to comment on.

Can't imagine why.

UK government (ONS) figures showing the balance of trade with the EU
(in £ million)
2006 -29,616
2007 -35,235
2008 -28,582
2009 -27,421
2010 -35,534

Note the minus sign.


That's how much it costs us to be ruled by people we didn't, and cannot, elect.

Isn't this a similar deficit to that of the US with the whole of the world, with a much bigger economy, or am I missing something? I know I probably am.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade