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NoviceAngel

JPears wrote: »

I welcome your more detailed explanation but I suspect more than a few "veterans", on this board,from experience, will also have the cynical view.

Is that a cynical view of DJ's and the legal system in general? Or just a go at weak DJ's that allow a set aside from their golfing pals?

its easy to be cyanical (and I declare I'm in that club) but DJ's were and sometimes are lawyers and I would say they are much more likely to be swayed by the barristers from 2birds than the likes of you and me JP, if you think of all the high profile cases the obvious one is the Huzar case and then the Allen case, that I know quite a bit about (but not as much as others - ) in both cases they needed the might of lawyers to professionally defend the cases to succeed and then they open the flood gates in the lower courts for us simple Yorkshire folk!

The idea of MCOL and the courts IMHO is laughable - it's an attempt to make justice work for the 'ordinary' lay person. You only have to watch one episode of 'Nightmare tenants' to understand how warped and ridiculous our legal system is...

I have the utmost respect for the decent and hard working efforts of our legal friends that not only help on here that also have helped others succeed when they have failed on their own but am I cynical of the legal system and some of the DJ's (warped) wrong in law decisions - yeah I'm in that boat..

Sorry, I'll go to sleep now - rant over

JPears

My rant was really aimed at some of the legal firms who stretch the limits of the CPR.
Small claims really doesn't favour the man in the street.
The judge in my case - a pure technical issue, on the preceeding flight got it wrong on 2 counts. A technical issue, established later by Huzar and a knock on. He completely ignored the latter. Yet I don't have the ability to have my case reheard, now that the judge has been proven wrong.
And I was up against 2 expert witnesses and a verbose solicitor. The engineer couldn't seem to accept that i fully understand the nature, workings and issue surrounding the faulty relay. They were even more perplexed when I asked why they had put the relay back in the plane when they knew it was faulty?

Tyzap

PomBear wrote: »

Hello.

Following some detective work, I think they could have well foreseen the problems they would face landing at Thessaloniki. If this is the case, are the circumstances really extraordinary?

I recorded the Captain's announcement explaining the reason for the delay when we got on the plane. He stated (this is a transcription): "Unfortunately the runway which was favouring the winds, runway three-four at Thessaloniki, we are not allowed to use at night.

"So the wind was quite strong last night and we weren't able to use the reciprocal end of the runway, which is runway one-six. So unfortunately we did come down and have a look and we did try and approach and we hung around for about 45 minutes, 50 minutes. I'm afraid the wind just didn't come within limits. So I'm afraid we went on to Athens."

According to a website I found called Pilots Briefing Room, between 'June and August [Thessaloniki] often has strong winds necessitating the use of runway 34'. But 'Night landings [are only] permitted provided PAPIS (precision approach path indicators) are available and EGPWS (enhanced ground proximity warning system) is serviceable'. Apparently this is because of high terrain on approach.


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Hi PomBear,

This is an interesting discussion about visual landing aids, which might help.....

http://www.pprune.org/9926840-post59.html

Also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_flight_rules

Good luck.

pcyuljr

Ok, this is all hypothetical.

If Jet2 legal representatives did contact me, and let's say they happen to offer me the compensation plus court costs (no interest though) but insist in it being confidential and the outcome not to be posted on social media websites, could they legally have any comeback if I did happen to post on a website such as this to inform you all?

It's lawfully entitled compensation, not a secretive agreement.

Obviously, as I stated, this is all hypothetical at this stage.

Right?

Vauban

pcyuljr wrote: »

Ok, this is all hypothetical.

If Jet2 legal representatives did contact me, and let's say they happen to offer me the compensation plus court costs (no interest though) but insist in it being confidential and the outcome not to be posted on social media websites, could they legally have any comeback if I did happen to post on a website such as this to inform you all?

It's lawfully entitled compensation, not a secretive agreement.

Obviously, as I stated, this is all hypothetical at this stage.

Right?

This hypothetical situation seems to happen a lot, oddly ...

Two points:

a) if you agreed to a confidentiality clause, limiting your ability to talk about a settlement, and you then broke that confidentiality, you might need to return the money;

b) the other side would not offer you such if they had any intention whatsoever of defending the claim. So if you were to say "No thank you. This claim is justified in law, and you owe me this money as of right. Your efforts to silence me are as pathetic as they are reprehensible. Who do you think you are?", you would still get your money. Hypothetically of course.

If you'd like to test how much they value your silence you could always bargain it for a better payout - say interest at 8% and a box of chocolates to say sorry.

Good luck - though you're not going to need it ...

JPears

Vauban wrote: »

This hypothetical situation seems to happen a lot, oddly ...

Two points:

a) if you agreed to a confidentiality clause, limiting your ability to talk about a settlement, and you then broke that confidentiality, you might need to return the money;

b) the other side would not offer you such if they had any intention whatsoever of defending the claim. So if you were to say "No thank you. This claim is justified in law, and you owe me this money as of right. Your efforts to silence me are as pathetic as they are reprehensible. Who do you think you are?", you would still get your money. Hypothetically of course.

If you'd like to test how much they value your silence you could always bargain it for a better payout - say interest at 8% and a box of chocolates to say sorry.

Good luck - though you're not going to need it ...

Like he said :T

pcyuljr

I guess, in that hypothetical situation, I would have to accept the money and then feel guilty I hadn't been able to thank everybody for their help within this thread.

If I had been allowed to, I would have said that I wouldn't have even known what to do with regards to court action, never mind considering taking it, without everybody's assistance.

Vauban's guide really did prove essential in clearly showing a linear approach to take action, and the help of members within this thread both in answering my ample questions and also in the previous responses to others was invaluable.

I'd probably finish with something glib such as 'keep up the good fight' and hope that I'd be able to assist others in future.

But I guess Jet2 would be unwilling to allow me to say this, should they offer the compensation...;)

JPears

Hypothetically of course. We all hope you enjoy your hypothetical compensation.��
Up yours J2. Again.

NoviceAngel

pcyuljr wrote: »

I'd probably finish with something glib such as 'keep up the good fight' and hope that I'd be able to assist others in future.

I hang around and help now almost exclusively in the J2 thread to help others, just because of the utter distain I hold for J2 and the disgraceful way they treat passenger rights, your case should not have got this far and neither should mine or many others.

Please do keep an eye on this thread and if you can help someone out, then feel free.

Congratulations on your hypothetical victory :T:beer:

Cheers,

NoviceAngel

Tyzap

If pcyuljr has now been offered compensation, but had a gagging order slapped on him/her too, it would be very encouraging news for barrovian, hryder and pombear, who were also caught up in the same delay.

Of course we don't know for sure, as this is all so hypathetical;)

Some advice for anyone facing a situation where J2 do try to impose a gagging clause on you. Please remember that as Vauban has already said, you do not have to accept the inclusion any such clause. They would not be making an offer in the first place if they thought they could defend it. They can only gag you if you allow them to.

Good luck everyone.