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USA Warns Cameron not to leave EU
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »The EU is a corrupt, ineffficent and self-serving bureaucracy whose purpose is to serve and legitimise federalist idealogues among European politicians whose motivation revolves largely around power seeking under German hegemony.
Do you speak like that in real life too? :rotfl:“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Do you speak like that in real life too? :rotfl:
Who speaks just like they write ?No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Why all that ? Most free trade pacts don't involve all that. .
Because there are millions of UK citizens living or working in Europe, and vice versa.
Has it ever occurred to you that many of us do not want to lose our existing rights to live and work freely in the EU?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Because there are millions of UK citizens living or working in Europe, and vice versa.
Has it ever occurred to you that many of us do not want to lose our existing rights to live and work freely in the EU?
When the referendum comes you will have your vote, along with everybody else.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »When the referendum comes you will have your vote, along with everybody else.
There will not be a referendum on leaving Europe, and if there was, the Eurosceptics would lose.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Do you speak like that in real life too? :rotfl:
He meant:da EU be uh corrupt, ineffficent an' self-serving bureaucracy whose purpose iz ta serve an' legitimise federalist idealogues among European politicians whose motivation revolves largely around power seeking under German hegemony all ye damn hood ratz
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »Don't worry, I did detect the attempts at irony and to set a rather obvious little trap, but chose to ignore them.
The EU is a corrupt, ineffficent and self-serving bureaucracy whose purpose is to serve and legitimise federalist idealogues among European politicians whose motivation revolves largely around power seeking under German hegemony.
Previous attempts to reason with it, induce it to see reality, or get a reasonable deal from it for the UK have with very few exceptions failed dismally.
It if moves to formally turn itself into a federal state, then the UK wanting no part of that has to extricate itself from it by whatever means are necessary. The EU certainly will have little concern about the UK's interests -- it never has yet -- so if playing hard ball and wielding vetoes is the only way to achieve that, then so be it.
I don't think the EU will ultimately see it in its own best interests for the UK to be completely out of the picture, but if the very real threat of that is the only way to get it to admit so, then go for it. If it did result in us being out altogether then we would be a lot better off than we are now, and immeasurably better off then being sucked into the federal entity in any way shape or form.
No irony or traps there -- just the facts of life.
A somewhat bizarre view of postwar history. Ever since the EU was founded Germany has tried to avoid taking on the hegemony that its economic success should have provided. One could see that as a cause of some of the EUs problems.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »There will not be a referendum on leaving Europe, and if there was, the Eurosceptics would lose.
You are entitled to your opinion. Polls tend to indicate differently on the second point.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
A somewhat bizarre view of postwar history. Ever since the EU was founded Germany has tried to avoid taking on the hegemony that its economic success should have provided. One could see that as a cause of some of the EUs problems.
They are doing it by stealth, aware that a lot of people are still suspicious of their intentions.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »They are doing it by stealth, aware that a lot of people are still suspicious of their intentions.
Devilishly cunning these beastly huns. But you are able to see through the fiendish tricks so perhaps not cunning enough.0
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