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USA Warns Cameron not to leave EU
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Oh !!!!!!...
The costs of us leaving far exceed the costs of us staying.
Unless you negotiate a free trade pact, a free movement pact, a reciprocal right to live and work, etc.
But if you have to do all that, why bother leaving?
And if you think you can get all that, but not pay the dues to stay in the club, you're bonkers.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
Unless you negotiate a free trade pact, a free movement pact, a reciprocal right to live and work, etc.
Why all that ? Most free trade pacts don't involve all that. That's part of the preparation for federalism.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
You was trolled.GeorgeHowell wrote: »George Howell endorses Cameron threatening to stay in the EU in order to be able to wield a veto with a view to achieving the best outcome for Britain.
There .. I finished it for you.
The idea is patently barmy. It is to hang around and be offensive to get what you want. That is exactly the kind of thing which will gain a very ill will for this country. If we are going to sit in the middle and grizzle until we get what we want, we will end up kicked out with nowt.
There are honourable ways to leave - which I think would be a mistake - but this scheme is not one of them. It shows how far out of touch some of the anti EU people in this country are when this kind of negotiating stance is taken seriously.You might as well ask the Wizard of Oz to give you a big number as pay a Credit Referencing Agency for a so-called 'credit-score'0 -
You was trolled.
The idea is patently barmy. It is to hang around and be offensive to get what you want. That is exactly the kind of thing which will gain a very ill will for this country. If we are going to sit in the middle and grizzle until we get what we want, we will end up kicked out with nowt.
There are honourable ways to leave - which I think would be a mistake - but this scheme is not one of them. It shows how far out of touch some of the anti EU people in this country are when this kind of negotiating stance is taken seriously.
Please don't take my name in vain."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
It does not quite work to write "If we are going to sit in the middle and haller until we get what we want, we will end up kicked out with nowt." So I had little choice but use yours. Sorry.grizzly1911 wrote: »Please don't take my name in vain.You might as well ask the Wizard of Oz to give you a big number as pay a Credit Referencing Agency for a so-called 'credit-score'0 -
Further on free trade pacts
1) if we left the EU we would have to renegotiate separate trade pacts with every other country or trading group which currently has trade pacts with the EU. Would we get a better or worse deal on our own? How does the carrot of free trade access to the UK market compare with access to the EU?
2) This country has a high dependence on financial services as a generator of foreign exchange. It is difficult enough moving towards free trade in this sector within the EU. Will it be easier from outside, or will the EU be much happier with a trade barrier?0 -
And the reality will be what? If Europe doesn't get its act together, it'll end up being carved up between the new economic world powers in the same way that Europe once carved up Africa.
Too many people don't have the imagination to see that it's not our automatic right to be top dog, like we're born superior or something.
And if the EU does get its act together, we would be a minor sideshow outside.0 -
It does not quite work to write "If we are going to sit in the middle and haller until we get what we want, we will end up kicked out with nowt." So I had little choice but use yours. Sorry.
Don't worry, I did detect the attempts at irony and to set a rather obvious little trap, but chose to ignore them.
The EU is a corrupt, ineffficent and self-serving bureaucracy whose purpose is to serve and legitimise federalist idealogues among European politicians whose motivation revolves largely around power seeking under German hegemony.
Previous attempts to reason with it, induce it to see reality, or get a reasonable deal from it for the UK have with very few exceptions failed dismally.
It if moves to formally turn itself into a federal state, then the UK wanting no part of that has to extricate itself from it by whatever means are necessary. The EU certainly will have little concern about the UK's interests -- it never has yet -- so if playing hard ball and wielding vetoes is the only way to achieve that, then so be it.
I don't think the EU will ultimately see it in its own best interests for the UK to be completely out of the picture, but if the very real threat of that is the only way to get it to admit so, then go for it. If it did result in us being out altogether then we would be a lot better off than we are now, and immeasurably better off then being sucked into the federal entity in any way shape or form.
No irony or traps there -- just the facts of life.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0
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