USA Warns Cameron not to leave EU

angrypirate

I find it more of a joke that the headlines on last night's 10 oclock news was something like "US voices concerns with the UK if they were to leave the EU" where in actual fact it should have been "US voices concerns with the EU if the UK were to leave". Typical BBC in manipulating the headlines to suit their agenda.

angrypirate

Moby wrote: »

Totally right ...what I've been saying all along. Anybody with an understanding of international affairs would say the same. Leon Brittan, (Tory Grandee) was saying exactly the same thing yesterday. He said in reference to any re-negotiation... 'what would we offer in return'?
I shudder at the thought of putting our international future in the hands of UKIP types. It would be highly damaging and we would be a laughing stock!

So we should panda to the US and become their puppet in the EU? I think not. This "warning" from the US is self-protectionism from the US. Nothing to do with whats best for our country. Its whats best for their country and if you cant see that in the words written then you are an idiot.

grizzly1911

Fella wrote: »

Promising (& sticking to that promise) a straightforward in/out referendum is probably the Tories best chance of winning the next election IMO. Funny how every says desparate times call for desparate measures & yet as soon as you talk about leaving the EU there seems to be some default reaction that somehow it cannot be done. It could & should be done. Lets trade with the rest of the world & flourish, not tie ourselves to the EU & decline along with them. Just the feel-good factor of being free of Brussels endless red-tape nonsense & "human rights" cop-out for criminals would make it worthwhile.

Not to mention the x billion of net savings.

There is a pretty blonde lady who often gets rolled out a a commentator on Newsnight who is a something to do with Europe.

In a recent piece she was saying that UK would have to meet EU regulations if they wanted to continue to export to the EU. I take it the EU imports all sorts of stuff from the rest of the world as I see those CE labels attached to things. If the rest of the world can achieve why can't we. I take it we already do. Is Dualit British or do they manufacture elsewhere?

N1AK

Graham_Devon wrote: »

What concern is it of theirs, other than protecting their own, which is admitted in the second paragraph.

None, which is why what he said was clearly about America's interest which they are perfectly entitled to express.

America's view, which I and hopefully some other people share, is that UK influence in the world by its actions is decreasing. Our influence in future will be because of our relationships and credibility and both of those can be enhanced by being involved in shaping what the EU becomes rather than sitting on the sidelines or dropping out.

grizzly1911

N1AK wrote: »

None, which is why what he said was clearly about America's interest which they are perfectly entitled to express.

America's view, which I and hopefully some other people share, is that UK influence in the world by its actions is decreasing. Our influence in future will be because of our relationships and credibility and both of those can be enhanced by being involved in shaping what the EU becomes rather than sitting on the sidelines or dropping out.

Subsumed in Europe we will be a 1 in17+ voice. We can bang the drum but no one will listen.

As much as we like to thing we hold sway, it is more out of deference to an old relative, "there, there we shall see".

N1AK

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Subsumed in Europe we will be a 1 in17+ voice. We can bang the drum but no one will listen.

As much as we like to thing we hold sway, it is more out of deference to an old relative, "there, there we shall see".

Possibly, although the alternative is that we become effectively irrelevant as an economy in the bottom half of the G20 within a decade or two. As long as we're comfortable with being equivalent to Mexico today in 2025 then independence will get us there.

Yes, there's a risk we end up like California in a fully federalised Europe if we go all in and that isn't my preferred outcome but I don't think that is the only viable result of European integration.

C_Mababejive

As usual the US government openly treats us like their lapdog and only acts in its own self interest. They seek to manipulate EU policy using their puppet in no10 and fear losing control of it.

pqrdef

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Commentator on newsnight (from the FT I think) has said the US has a very large interest in the UK being hamstrung by EU regulation, especially so when it comes to the finance industry, as being free from that regulation would provide real competition for the US.

Does the City want to leave then?

wymondham

OK, how about we invoice the USA for all costs incurred with us being a member? That seems fair?

pqrdef

grizzly1911 wrote: »

In a recent piece she was saying that UK would have to meet EU regulations if they wanted to continue to export to the EU. I take it the EU imports all sorts of stuff from the rest of the world as I see those CE labels attached to things. If the rest of the world can achieve why can't we. I take it we already do. Is Dualit British or do they manufacture elsewhere?

The EU has made it clear that we don't get free trade without a level playing field. And their idea of a level playing field goes a lot further than electrical regulations. It includes things like working hours, maternity pay and potentially taxes. In other words, UK manufacturers don't get to exploit any "unfair" advantages over French and German rivals.

The difference is, we'd no longer have any say in defining the level playing field, and with no threat of veto we'd no longer be able to negotiate any opt-outs.