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shaun_from_Africa

hpuse wrote: »

My friends Shaun from Africa and Pollycat,

Use your brains to 'think'; Why such a similar service does not exist for DVLA while renewing driving license ?. You will get answers to the questions that you are asking me. LOL :-)

Does not exist. Are you sure?

https://www.drivinglicence.uk.com/?gclid=CIq92dCkwbsCFTDMtAodTyEAxQ
https://www.dvla-driving-licence.co.uk/?gclid=CNLY4qylwbsCFSvjwgod6isAbw
https://www.drivinglicences.org.uk/?gclid=CK2RiMGlwbsCFWTlwgoduSkAQw

Your argument might have more clout if you actually posted correct facts instead of attempting to insult others.

hpuse

Ok, I agree that was hindsight indeed !

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views/uk/warning-over-driving-licence-website-scam-1.162908

But who runs these services ? - do you have any idea?
It might be a good idea to again 'think' before coming to their defense.
Its basically a 'state of mind' the way I see.

hpuse

Also, Pollycat and Shaun, why are these websites 'hiding' their owner information if you think they are genuinely legal ?
Why there is no postal information.

If you have answers to those questiosn please?

Pollycat

hpuse wrote: »

Ok, I agree that was hindsight indeed !

Hindsight?
Hindsight by whom?

I was certainly aware that these websites existed.

hpuse wrote: »

But who runs these services ? - do you have any idea?

I have no idea who runs these services.
Do you?

hpuse wrote: »

It might be a good idea to again 'think' before coming to their defense.

I'm not coming to the defence of these websites and I'm sure shaun from africa isn't either so we don't need to 'think'.

hpuse wrote: »

Its basically a 'state of mind' the way I see.

What on earth does this mean?

Pollycat

hpuse wrote: »

Also, Pollycat and Shaun, why are these websites 'hiding' their owner information if you think they are genuinely legal ?
Why there is no postal information.

If you have answers to those questiosn please?

I don't know why they 'hide' their owner information - if indeed they do hide it.

If the websites weren't legal they would be closed down.

In fact, back in 2010, Trading Standards were closing these websites down. It was announced on this website.
The fact that you could get a free or cheaper service from the official website was hidden in the very small T&Cs on their websites.

Since then, they have made it much more visible, some even going so far as to list the 'extras' you get by using their company and some even give a link to the 'proper' website.

What makes you think these websites aren't illegal?

Pollycat

frankth wrote: »

So if these SEO companies can get a 'share' from those vulnerable market section, as long as they are not breaking the law, they will always have an argument for it.

This is the point we have been debating and hpuse seems to be struggling with.
As far as I am aware, these companies are not breaking the law.

I personally think it's sharp practice but that doesn't make it illegal.

frankth wrote: »

Hope you undesrtand the dynamics now. Peace.

I understood the dynamics before.

shaun_from_Africa

hpuse wrote: »

Also, Pollycat and Shaun, why are these websites 'hiding' their owner information if you think they are genuinely legal ?
Why there is no postal information.

If you have answers to those questiosn please?

Keep trying. With every post you are simply digging yourself deeper and deeper into the hole you have put yourself.

Of the companies that I gave links to (Yes, those companies that you said didn't exist), two have postal contact details on their websites.

https://www.drivinglicence.uk.com/?gclid=CIq92dCkwbsCFTDMtAodTyEAxQ
Registered Office: 145-157 St John Street, London, EC1V 4PW

https://www.dvla-driving-licence.co.uk/?gclid=CNLY4qylwbsCFSvjwgod6isAbw
dvla-driving-licence.co.uk, Dunstable Road, Redbourn, St Albans, Herts AL3 7PR

and the 3rd one doesn't appear to have an address shown, but their trading details can easily be found by a quick search on Google.
https://www.drivinglicences.org.uk/?gclid=CK2RiMGlwbsCFWTlwgoduSkAQw

R A LINK SOLUTIONS LTD
ORCHARD LEA DRIFT ROAD
WINKFIELD
WINDSOR
BERKSHIRE
SL4 4RU

Pollycat

frankth wrote: »

The word 'sharp practice' is actually a thinline.
Say for e.g if I am hacker currently running an exploit code on your's browser pluggin, would you still call that a sharp practice?. Hey, then I could still argue that I was doing nothing illegal :-).

If you're not breaking the law then you are not doing anything illegal.

frankth wrote: »

Legality or illegality is a matter can only be decided on court of law based on rules and regulations. But ethics and morality is of course applicable to all entities, inlcuding business. I guess that is the point hpuse is trying to make. We all know slave labour is illegal and just becuase Apple has done it in China does not make them an illegal company in the States. Apple very well knows it, don't they :-)

And these companies are not breaking the law.

That's why HM Passport Office isn't shutting them down.

You can argue ethics and morality all you like but that doesn't make something illegal.

frankth wrote: »

Same way, if a dyslexic person has fallen pray to servicing website, he or she certainly has a point and authorities will have to consider listening to it..

Why would the authorities have to consider listening to someone who is dyslexic who has fallen prey to 'servicing website'?

It's either legal or it's not.
And if it isn't illegal, then why would someone who is dyslexic have more come-back than someone who isn't dyslexic but has just made a mistake by using the wrong website?

Strange that you should bring up Dyslexia.

hpuse also uses this example:

hpuse wrote: »

Would you expect a person with dyslexia to 'read' and understand the genuiness of the website providing this service? Get real for heaven sake !

PS: (Now please do not bring in the debate why would a dyslexic person be allowed to go online and make independent decision)

shaun_from_Africa

hpuse wrote: »

Also, Pollycat and Shaun, why are these websites 'hiding' their owner information if you think they are genuinely legal ?
Why there is no postal information.

If you have answers to those questiosn please?

I've given you an answer. Now how about you answer the question asked in posts #256 and #259.

How would you suggest they enforce anything against a company that is acting within the law?
....
I will ask again, what can the IPS "policy makers and enforcement authority" do against a company that is not breeching any UK law?

mo786uk

There is a law Consuemr Protection from unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

It is more about the WAY they sell rather than the fact they are selling soemthing you can do for free.

At the moment many of them seem to be putting on enough disclaimers to stay on the right side of the alw because they can argue that the consumer should have read the entire website. Some of them are clearly set up in a way to catch people out because of the way they are worded and designed and the fact that the disclaimers are often at the bottom half of the page which a consumer may not look at when they are lookign ta an official looking site at the top of Google....