Are people entitled to book unpaid leave to have teeth out

yvonne13_2

apples1 wrote: »

Eh?? I have suggested the holiday!! Why are you saying I've said he's not allowed holiday. I am now getting shot down for not suggesting the thing I suggested.

Wait a minute you've lost me, I didn't see anywhere in any of your post's that you sugessted ssp?

AP007

basill wrote: »

I have never experienced this in any of the full time jobs I have had in the last 30 years, all the medical or dental appointments I have attended during work time have been allowed as paid time off.

More importantly they have always been allowed without question.

I realise this is not a right and where possible I try to minimise impact on the business by booking non urgent appointments at the start or end of the day or at off peak times.

B

My last job and in fact near on everyone I have ever worked for would never allow that. You could not even leave 5 mins early without making up the time.

yvonne13_2

apples1 wrote: »

Our business holiday policy is 20 days plus 8 bank holidays. The 20 days are to be taken between 1st April & 31st Dec. We don't allow holiday in Jan - March as by far our busiest time.

Staff member has just received a letter with app in March to have wisdom teeth out. He asked for time off and said he may need up to a week (maybe more) but will see how he is.

It is a customer facing business so if we are short staffed customer service (and sales) are directly impacted. Having him come back early (or be off longer) is of no use as I have to book and pay for extra cover ahead of time (which isn't easy to do in our industry even with notice).

I have said that if he provides the app letter I will on this occasion allow him to book a week holiday. I have turned down hol requests before at this time of year (skiing being the main one!) so have said I am making an exception due to the reason for the request. I've also said that if we cannot cover the business due to sickness or any unforeseen exceptional circumstances nearer the time i will need to retract the holiday and ask him to rearrange the app.

He has come back saying he doesn't want to use up holiday but wants unpaid leave "as it's a medical issue". I don't have surplus "man" hours so don't want him to have an extra week off unpaid or otherwise. I need staff not cost saving. I thought I was being generous given we don't allow time off in 1st quarter! Do I have to agree to unpaid time off as well as annual holiday? No annual leave booked yet so nothing that would have to be cancelled for him.

Hmmm no mention to the staff member that he can have ssp more a case of you saying what you don't want.

AP007

yvonne13 wrote: »

Hmmm no mention to the staff member that he can have ssp more a case of you saying what you don't want.

This co pays sick though (all but the first 2 days)

OP says 'We pay full pay for ten sick days per year altho the first two days of any period of abscence are unpaid. He didn't ask to go off sick he asked for unpaid leave. Nobody has ever asked me in advance to be off sick to be honest but if that is what we should legally do we will.'

yvonne13_2

AP007 wrote: »

This co pays sick though (all but the first 2 days)

OP says 'We pay full pay for ten sick days per year altho the first two days of any period of abscence are unpaid. He didn't ask to go off sick he asked for unpaid leave. Nobody has ever asked me in advance to be off sick to be honest but if that is what we should legally do we will.'

I saw that but I don't understand why the OP posted a question he already had the answer to.

apples1

APO07 - my OP says we don't allow holiday jan - march BUT also says I have offered to make an exception given the reason for the request. Please just read my OP again. It's all there. You have quoted one bit not the next!

Yvonne - I'm not sure if you are getting in a muddle, if you have got SSP (stat sick pay) and holiday muddled up or what. Your post to me said " as you've said he cannot have holiday..." to which I replied that I has suggested in my OP that he take holiday. I asked you why I was being shot down not suggesting (holiday) when i had opened the thread suggesting he takes holiday.

I'm sorry I don't know how to quote multiple comments in one post which would set this out more clearly but if you just simply read my OP you will see what I mean!

Edit - this is reply to posts 31 & 32. In time it took me to type it on my phone & press post you have both added more and I think Yvonne has now appreciated that you mis-read my OP.

AP007

apples1 wrote: »

APO07 - my OP says we don't allow holiday jan - march BUT also says I have offered to make an exception given the reason for the request. Please just read my OP again. It's all there. You have quoted one bit not the next!

Yvonne - I'm not sure if you are getting in a muddle, if you have got SSP (stat sick pay) and holiday muddled up or what. Your post to me said " as you've said he cannot have holiday..." to which I replied that I has suggested in my OP that he take holiday. I asked you why I was being shot down not suggesting (holiday) when i had opened the thread suggesting he takes holiday.

I'm sorry I don't know how to quote multiple comments in one post which would set this out more clearly but if you just simply read my OP you will see what I mean!

Edit - this is reply to posts 31 & 32. In time it took me to type it on my phone & press post you have both added more and I think Yvonne has now appreciated that you mis-read my OP.

So............................you pay them sick or tell them its holiday leave or nothing at all.

Sambucus_Nigra

In companies I've managed in - it was policy only to allow unpaid leave once the allocated leave days had been taken. And then it was only upon application with a very good reason.

Offer SSP or holiday days and be done with it. It's a fair choice.

yvonne13_2

apples1 wrote: »

APO07 - my OP says we don't allow holiday jan - march BUT also says I have offered to make an exception given the reason for the request. Please just read my OP again. It's all there. You have quoted one bit not the next!

Yvonne - I'm not sure if you are getting in a muddle, if you have got SSP (stat sick pay) and holiday muddled up or what. Your post to me said " as you've said he cannot have holiday..." to which I replied that I has suggested in my OP that he take holiday. I asked you why I was being shot down not suggesting (holiday) when i had opened the thread suggesting he takes holiday.


I'm sorry I don't know how to quote multiple comments in one post which would set this out more clearly but if you just simply read my OP you will see what I mean!

Edit - this is reply to posts 31 & 32. In time it took me to type it on my phone & press post you have both added more and I think Yvonne has now appreciated that you mis-read my OP.

Excuse me OP but it's you that needs to read the post carefully you were speaking to another poster and not me as I never said that to you.

getmore4less

apples1 wrote: »

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It is a customer facing business so if we are short staffed customer service (and sales) are directly impacted.
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I don't have surplus "man" hours so don't want him to have an extra week off unpaid or otherwise. I need staff not cost saving.....

getmore4less wrote: »

Sounds like you should be looking at your staffing levels if something as simple as a week or two off is going to be a big problem.

You are very exposed to sicknes and leavers

apples1 wrote: »

. If we could afford to have higher staff levels we would believe me.

If these people are so critical to customer service and sales I find it hard to believe you have exactly the right number.

loosing a few hours will kill the business, but adding a few hours won't deliver enough extra sales to pay for itself.

Given you could tell the employees when they take their holidays to match the slow periods I find it hard to believe you can't adapt.

3 months where everyone has to be in work is a distaster waiting to happen as highlighted by the current situation.


Unless the 28 days don't include BH your holidays are the legal minimum