Are people entitled to book unpaid leave to have teeth out

WeakHeart

I said, you said, no you said, no I said. Sheesh!

apples1

duchy wrote: »

I suspect the OP himself has private health cover and has no idea how long the wait for NHS appointments can be.


If your business is so seasonally weighed it might be an option to investigate...it could do wonders for your poor staff morale too.

For the record I don't have private health care. Never have bad even when employed.

Whilst i totally take your point about it being a nice thing to offer staff again for the record in response to your comment about our "poor staff morale". Our staff morale isn't poor.

apples1

WeakHeart wrote: »

I said, you said, no you said, no I said. Sheesh!

Agree, I literally cannot keep up.

I'm off to bed. Have work in the morning!

Night all x

AP007

yvonne13 wrote: »

OP where in that sentence does it say that I accuse you of not allowing holiday!!!!

Do you not know the difference between holiday and ssp????

Looks like your reading something that isn't there.

this is giving me a toothache

hcb42

It is fairly recent that holidays can be clawed back effectively if employee is on hol and is sick, plenty of googles about it.

I went sick for two weeks,certified by doc, a few years ago, but one week was prebooked holiday (at home didn't go anywhere) , my employer immediately offered it back to me as I was entitled to it, I.e rest break not holiday taken up with sickness.

I wouldn't have even raised it.

I think the OP has realised the alternatives open to him now, and hadn't considered the SSP aspect, as it was known in advance.

duchy

Oh trust me -if you are forcing staff to take holiday when they are entitled to take sick leave -it is !

And I never said it was a "nice thing to do" I said it is a sensible thing to do -and cost effective for a business that runs on such poor staffing levels that the absence of a single staff member in a peak time is so catastrophic to the business.

LittleMax

apples1 wrote: »

Blimey - I have said I am willingly offering the time off just that I don't want them to take a week unpaid leave given that they have 28 days unused fully paid holiday coming to them. If we could afford to have higher staff levels we would believe me.

But have you not tried to consider this from your employee's position. Paid holiday is to take a break from work and do things for yourself. He doesn't want to spend a quarter of his holiday entitlement recovering from an operation.

apples1 wrote: »

28 paid days plus 5 paid teeth days giving 33 paid days then minus 5 "making up" unpaid days gives 28 days paid time off including teeth days. Just same as taking teeth days from their holiday. See?

If it's just the same - why not allow his request?!

You say that Jan to March is your busiest period - if he wants to make up the time why not let him make up the time now before he goes off. Maybe someone else may go sick this month or next, he could make up hours then couldn't he? Or don't your employees go sick

apples1

duchy wrote: »

Oh trust me -if you are forcing staff to take holiday when they are entitled to take sick leave -it is !

And I never said it was a "nice thing to do" I said it is a sensible thing to do -and cost effective for a business that runs on such poor staffing levels that the absence of a single staff member in a peak time is so catastrophic to the business.

I am not forcing holiday. He asked me for unpaid leave. I was asking if I could legally request he use some of his 28 days hol rather than have a week unpaid leave then 28 days hol. He didn't ask for sick leave. There is no force at all anywhere. If he doesn't want to go sick or use holiday I was asking if I could request he does rather than use unpaid leave. How you get to me forcing when all I've done at this stage is ask if he'd have hol instead of the unpaid leave he asked for.

Staffing levels are not poor. They are tight in busy times but in December for example when it's dead we still have same number of staff and still pay them etc. Obviously there are times of year when we need them all plus we work 7 days etc and times when less than half of them would be enough - and times in the middle when it's just right. That's why I plan to have them all in busy times - seems common sense to me. I know legally we could dictate all their holiday dates for example and it would be handy if I could give everyone all their holiday in the dead months but that seems unfair so I go for a balance and manage it as well as I can.

Please be fair. I didn't force anything and wouldn't. I asked if unpaid leave could be swapped for holiday. Other posters have since suggested seeing if he'd take sick leave which I will ask him about. As I have now repeatedly said sick leave had not occurred as he asked for a week unpaid.

apples1

LittleMax wrote: »

If it's just the same - why not allow his request?!

"it's" the same refers to taking hol and making up the time off being the same. His request was not to make up the time off his request was for unpaid leave!

Your other idea of working extra days jan- feb to offset week off in march is a good idea.

Sambucus_Nigra

LittleMax wrote: »

Paid holiday is to take a break from work and do things for yourself. He doesn't want to spend a quarter of his holiday entitlement recovering from an operation.

No, paid leave is a statutory right to have days away from work - there are no strings attached to the reasons for the leave.