tory lies about jobseekers

Morlock

marlot wrote: »

What's your source for the 3% claim - I couldn't find anything to back it up.

3% of the welfare budget is accounted for by Jobseekers Allowance.


http://base-uk.org/sites/base-uk.org/files/%5Buser-raw%5D/12-08/e4_-__welfare_reform.pdf

The amount of unclaimed benefits per annum is closer to £20 billion.

AP007

[quote=[Deleted User];58423527]



But if I'd ever been out of work for a longer period then I think its only fair that I'd have to take what was on offer....[/QUOTE]

Take what's on offer? Like what?

Turned down for another job today saying

'With regards to the current role that you have applied for, my clients reservations are along the lines of believing that you are too qualified for the role as this is a 360 processing role which would really be far to basic for someone with your skills'

I can not even get what they deem as a basic job

[Deleted User]

AP007 wrote: »

Take what's on offer? Like what?

Turned down for another job today saying

'With regards to the current role that you have applied for, my clients reservations are along the lines of believing that you are too qualified for the role as this is a 360 processing role which would really be far to basic for someone with your skills'

I can not even get what they deem as a basic job

IF theres a job on offer....

I was referring to the people who seem to think they can pick and choose what suits them.

AP007

[quote=[Deleted User];58430921]IF theres a job on offer....

I was referring to the people who seem to think they can pick and choose what suits them.[/QUOTE]
If it didn't suit you wouldn't apply for it unless made to and even so if you get a job offer you have to take it.

I am furious that I can not even get interviews for basic stuff as over qualified.

dandelionclock30

[quote=[Deleted User];58430921]IF theres a job on offer....

I was referring to the people who seem to think they can pick and choose what suits them.[/QUOTE].

Theres often very little or nothing to pick and choose from!. Lots of the jobs on offer pay less than JSA, and are for like 2 hours per day, or are commission only or are as and when.
If you've been in a professional job then a lot of NMW employers dont want you and because various sectors have shrunk its virtually impossible for some people to return to similar type jobs.
For example if you were previously a manager in the NHS and then went for a job in Greggs or a chip shop its highly unlikley that you would get it because they would wonder why you were applying etc.
For the person who got a job in Switzerland, it must have been well worth his while to relocate there.It will not have been a NMW job thats for sure.You are talking about a high level job.
Also regarding getting 3 buses to and from work, a lot of employers want people who are not going to have issues with travel and will employ locally for low paying jobs first. So the job centre might send a person but its often waisting their time anyway.
Also is a bit much David Cameron saying things about welfare claimants when hes claimed benefits himself with all his money.When he had a disabled son he claimed DLA for him, which he was entitled too. Was he a benefit scrounger to then? or was it different for him?

TrickyWicky

Morlock wrote: »

3% of the welfare budget is accounted for by Jobseekers Allowance.


http://base-uk.org/sites/base-uk.org/files/%5Buser-raw%5D/12-08/e4_-__welfare_reform.pdf

The amount of unclaimed benefits per annum is closer to £20 billion.

karmaqueen says that only 3% of the government spending is on the welfare system.

Going by the link in the above post, I've found this in the .pdf:


Now that clearly shows a very different story. Karmaqween states:

Did you know that the benefit system only accounts for 3% of public spending in the UK?.

Thats clearly not correct. 3% of the welfare budget is JSA yes but that isn't the same as the whole welfare system costing 3%.

When I put these numbers into an excel spreadsheet and made a pie chart with percentages, this is what happened:



The 3% karmaqween is referring to is actually 3% of that 28% (which is the largest amount of government spending).

It's easy to think that the benefits system is being picked on when your own benefits (such as JSA) only take 3% of the welfare budget but everything else including DLA, ESA, IS, HB, CTB, makes it go up a whole lot more. Unfortunately despite resenting the MPs picking on the benefits myself (I hate the benefits war) when you look at the numbers above and actually check them yourself they're frankly rather shocking.

The truth is (assuming that the PDF file from Durham council is correct and truthful) that the government spends over a quarter of its income on benefits. I'm not saying thats wrong because people DO NEED HELP. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be denying it because denial is what has got this country into such a mess in the first place - MPs deny things they don't want to believe or hear and where has that got us?

We have to be realistic and accept the facts. The welfare system costs a lot to operate. That IMO isn't going to change any time soon so we need to look at other ways of financing and running the country including using prisoners (who have a rather comfy life inside) in chain gangs to perform work that local councils can't afford such as road maintenance, railway track renewal etc.

CKhalvashi

koiboy wrote: »

Ministers were accused last night of demonising benefits claimants in an attempt to justify their controversial decision to increase most state handouts by less than inflation.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/voters-brainwashed-by-tory-welfare-myths-shows-new-poll-8437872.html

The main problem is that a few abusing the system are demonising everyone else, which in turn is causing the same issue.

It's like Jeremy Clarkson said about Iraq; 'There's a man selling kitchens here, a man selling fruit there, everyone going about their normal business, kids going to school. It only takes one person to cause huge concern about a country.'

Some of the claimants I deal with are known for being families that cause problems, however the most are decent, hardworking people.

CK

dandelionclock30

Your having a laugh if you think councils will employ prisoners even if their labor is free to maintain the roads.They wont pay for materials no way!.
Last year in my region people were having to crawl on their hands and knees across the roads because the councils wouldnt grit them and the black ice was so trecherous.
Loads of people were ending up in casuality because of the tight a rsed councils.!

Morlock

TrickyWicky wrote: »

karmaqueen says that only 3% of the government spending is on the welfare system.

Yes, that is wrong. I suggested the reason why the 3% figure was misquoted, related to the 3% of the welfare budget that JSA claimants receive.

This is a more accurate reflection of expenditure:


http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/year_spending_2012UKbt_12bc1n#ukgs302

Pensioners receive the highest percentage of UK's budget overall, particularly as they also draw on aspects of the welfare budget including housing benefit.

Also, work program providers are funded from the welfare budget, A4E, Serco, G4S etc. a large proportion of the welfare budget does not directly benefit welfare claimants. They certainly receive nowhere near 17% of the welfare budget in benefit payments.

Emma Harrison of A4E has personally pocketed over £10 million of that welfare budget within the last two years.

flexrider

TrickyWicky wrote: »

karmaqueen says that only 3% of the government spending is on the welfare system.

Going by the link in the above post, I've found this in the .pdf:


Now that clearly shows a very different story. Karmaqween states:
Thats clearly not correct. 3% of the welfare budget is JSA yes but that isn't the same as the whole welfare system costing 3%.

When I put these numbers into an excel spreadsheet and made a pie chart with percentages, this is what happened:



The 3% karmaqween is referring to is actually 3% of that 28% (which is the largest amount of government spending).

It's easy to think that the benefits system is being picked on when your own benefits (such as JSA) only take 3% of the welfare budget but everything else including DLA, ESA, IS, HB, CTB, makes it go up a whole lot more. Unfortunately despite resenting the MPs picking on the benefits myself (I hate the benefits war) when you look at the numbers above and actually check them yourself they're frankly rather shocking.

Wrong...For every pound in tax paid in 2 pound goes to welfare but the Goverment raises the bill by not balancing the Ecomary for example say if 10,000 companies go bust tomorrow with a workforce for 50,000, Do you think the GOverment step in? NO of course not they say they do this...or that but when the newspre4ss is died down them 50,000 workers are unemployed?

With out growth being in our ecomary companies are closing down thus the bill raising?

The truth is (assuming that the PDF file from Durham council is correct and truthful) that the government spends over a quarter of its income on benefits. I'm not saying thats wrong because people DO NEED HELP. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be denying it because denial is what has got this country into such a mess in the first place - MPs deny things they don't want to believe or hear and where has that got us?

AS i said the Goverement want you to beleive if thats the case how come councils all across the country are beingt chopped up in money sent form westminister cutting out communities and services countrywide such as Kids communities, Libraries,Yet Councils have been told to freeze workers salaries, Cut taxes or council benefit in some cases and not much left in pot as they try to reply back 3.2 billion pounds overspent and ordered back by gideon

Did you think that was a unemployed persons fault?

We have to be realistic and accept the facts. The welfare system costs a lot to operate. That IMO isn't going to change any time soon so we need to look at other ways of financing and running the country including using prisoners (who have a rather comfy life inside) in chain gangs to perform work that local councils can't afford such as road maintenance, railway track renewal etc.

Railways are privatized and this is a tricky subject, yes they have to make profit to shareholders like any business but it should be up to first train services or Virgin Train group or whoever operates the railways in your area....Not the councils Job its whoever has the contract

Road maintenance is centralized on a contract basis in conjunction with local HSE and government contract award like the trains yes you pay a percentage to roads being workable but alot of people are getting confused when you pay tax into the coffers of treasury of UK plc your paying 1.56 a week pending on your tax code as i have said before this is net tax form everyone.BUt every pound you put in your getting 50p tax releief back so do the maths

Great post slightly wrong on some stuff But have to agree on this lets say...

"Bob Jones...44 years old worked 30 years say of his life paid all NI tax ect loses his job today...Company closed down due to lack of orders company shrinks in workforce people made redundant"

Government response free work experience for no wages just standard benefits...So bob is forced on the workfare.. Politicians praised while bob ant struggling with sanctions and getting chucked out of house possibly with wife and kids...who knows could happen

the system is flawed and has been for 40 years, The Government waste billions in companies like A4e agenius ect,

In Germany if your not working they question why and sometimes push people to self-employment or skills training with greater investment,

Ive seen it over because the Government there know taxes are produced and unemployment is lower from doing so from initial investment thus creating jobs private or public,

Whilst our goverement just leaves 3rd parties to pick up the slack and private firms? and make stupid comments like this

http://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/barbara-gunnell/don%E2%80%99t-blame-bankers-or-politicians-blame-your-unemployed-neighbours

We have the technology and ways to tackle unemployment but since labor and pre- conservative in the days of Maggie... What private accompanied companies will create jobs of billions in 3 years...answer none some are created but there are still winners and losers stuck in a revolving door on social security because the Government do not tackle the real issues they just want votes and look like there doing something about it so it is better to chuck loads of money at it and measure by false statistic to the no Government has ever tackled properly Unemployment leaving us in the mess we are now.

The whole charts you show are wrong there taking into account quarterly of the Government review so with current borrowing included it could be 30Billion we owe which us lovely taxpayers pay too somewhere down the line.

NO government in the world wants you to know its own debts. having a pie showing a inaccurate figure shows they competent or portrayed as doing there job. Yet there not even scraching the surface or sorting out the problems whoch if they where people wont here today saying it's too high because it wont be?