tory lies about jobseekers

JenniferGonan

If people are jealous/envious of people on benefits they need a reality check. Or a better life.

Having a job is about one billion times better than being on benefits. You can barely afford to make ends meet on that £70 odd quid a week, you have to constantly jump through hoops and are interrogated like a criminal every week, sometimes you have to come in every day, if you're late for an appointment you can miss out on a whole 2 week's pay. Sometimes you'll be forced to go to an interview/forced to take a job just to force you off benefits. Often this job is miles away/3 bus rides away and only has night shifts, but you have to go to the interview or you are punished. Once you've been on benefits for something like 6 months you are sent to a private company called Maximus who profits from forcing people off benefits either by getting the lucky ones into temporary work or just pressuring them and making them come in every day to be lectured til they can't take it any more.

On top of that you're called a scrounger, told you're not looking hard enough for a job, told it's a 'lifestyle choice'. No one would choose that life, NO ONE.

I found a job now, no thanks to the job centre, found it through a friend. But I was on benefits for a year, never stopped desperately looking for work since graduating from uni. I'm making so much more money even though I'm only working 14 hours a week.

I'm so much happier and offer my full sympathy to everyone stuck on the welfare system in this country because it's a shambles.

You're not criminals, some of us still see you as human beings worthy of respect and we hope you find work before you have a mental breakdown.

So, to those of you who are burning up with jealousy for the few people who are barely making ends meet, maybe direct your anger at the millionaires that create these dodgy unfair systems, the ones with expense accounts and the ones with tax dodging schemes instead? :beer:

-First time poster, long time lurker.

dandelionclock30

Jo_F wrote: »

But it's not just the £71 JSA is it? if you are claiming that, then you also get help with rent, council tax, prescriptions etc.

Whereas someone earning, has to pay all that themselves, rents, council tax, prescriptions etc are all going up, while wages are not.

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You dont always get help with the rent etc whilst on JSA, it depends on circumstances etc.You could be living with your parents and you wouldnt get extra to help with rent.
Also people keep banging on about prescriptions, yeah but not everyone on JSA is ill all the time and needs lots of prescriptions.
Furthermore people who are earning in low paid jobs can also get help with rent and they can often obtain various tax credits depending on their situation etc.

AP007

[quote=[Deleted User];58351299]But thats just the point. If you don't like £71 a week, do something about it.

Benefits are not there as an 'option', they're there as an emergency payment to keep you alive until you find a job.

But of course, in this country, a lot of people on benefits dont think like this. Its a lifestyle option for them.[/QUOTE]
How anyone can think you can have a life let a alone a lifestyle on £71 per week is beyond me

AP007

Jo_F wrote: »

But it's not just the £71 JSA is it? if you are claiming that, then you also get help with rent, council tax, prescriptions etc.

Whereas someone earning, has to pay all that themselves, rents, council tax, prescriptions etc are all going up, while wages are not.

Wrong again - there are a LOT of people who only get £71 and some get nothing at all and have to live off savings.

Amba_Gambla

JenniferGonan wrote: »

I'm so much happier and offer my full sympathy to everyone stuck on the welfare system in this country....

Welfare shouldn't be a 'better option', but many people see it as just that.

dandelionclock30

Amba_Gambla wrote: »

Welfare shouldn't be a 'better option', but many people see it as just that.

Like who?

Like the people you read about in the Daily Mail and who the Tories talk about.Its called propoganda.

If there were proper jobs available then people would be doing them.
The problem is that as well as there being hardly any jobs, a lot of what is available is a few hours per week at NMW. So even if people work 10 hours at NMW, they are still not often in a position to sign off totally from benefits.
Even people in professional jobs are being badly hit in terms of job losses, etc, Teachers are being made redundant! etc. Its all walks of life that are hit.
I dont think anyone sees welfare as a better option to working, but its often the only option when there are very few jobs that pay a livable wage.

Amba_Gambla

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

I DON'T THINK anyone sees welfare as a better option to working, but its often the only option when there are very few jobs that pay a livable wage.

Oh, ok, so you must be right then? Where is YOUR proof?

dandelionclock30

From the 100s of people I've worked with over the years who been in receipt of benefits.About 95% of these people wanted and were looking for work.I can honestly say I've only met a few people who really didnt want to work.
These were not general jobseekers they were people who were getting a lot of DLA,at the higher rates as well as other benefits.They were saying they were too ill anyway to work and did want a job eventually. So they didnt see it as a better option but the only option at the time.
Do you really honestly think that any person can manage or wants to manage on a disposable income of £71.00 per week.Out of this they have to pay utilities as well as food etc. Also what are people supposed to do about clothes on this? Charity shops? yeah right, they are really expensive and no good if your not wanting to dress like MRs Merton.
Even those families with lots of kids etc tend to want to work as they say its boring in the house all day etc.
Just step back and look at the jobs that are available in your city and then find out how many are signing on.Also theres thousands remember who cant sign on because their partner works etc. You do the maths.
Do you really think people would prefer to go to food banks etc and even sleep rough as opposed to getting a job?.

AP007

Amba_Gambla wrote: »

Oh, ok, so you must be right then? Where is YOUR proof?

Well who would be happy about being made redundant earning somewhere above £25k a year to go on JSA at £3692 a year?

Oh yes, me it's great fun and no life to be had.

karmaqween

Why is it, that someone who works thinks they are above the non worker?
What is wrong with the non worker? are they scroungers?, No. the majority are people unable to find work, school/education leavers, those made redundant and those whom are ill in one way or another.
It is an impossibility to be a scrounger in this day, it is impossible to be a lazy workshy person because of the ground rules set to receive any benefits.

It is only the person whom has no clue of what being on benefits is actually like, whom has an opinion and, a very narrow minded opinion at that.
I suffered 10yrs from an iatrogenic illness (an illness caused by the medical profession itself) causing both mental and physical problems, I was on ESA, luckily for me, my illness was discovered in 2009 for that of what it was but, I then had to spend an excruciating 2 yrs being carefully weaned off of the dangerous medication. I was, during that time, subjected to the harsh WCA exam of, Gov employed, non specialist medical company Atos and, refused benefits on grounds I was fit to work, I was not (as are the many being deemed fit to work), My condition was so severe in the medicinal reduction withdrawal, I was prone to psychotic outbreaks and on suicide watch. Yet The Government deemed me fit to work. I had to endure 2 Tribunals before being allowed to claim JSA (not even ESA as was `on way to recovery`), I did not realise nor was I told I could reclaim back money owed, therefore ended up 6months out of pocket and ended up in court for council tax bills, despite my condition, no benefit etc, I had to pay back £1500. I am still paying).


In Feb 2012 I was finally off of the prescribed drug and began to look for work, my history of mental illness (albeit medicinally induced) has led me to want to help others in the same scenario, I work voluntarilly but have no qualifications as yet, they are going to cost me up to £1000 in all to obtain. The Government help schemes only offer free qualifications up to a level 2, you need at least a level 3 to further any education. I work voluntarilly to gain experience on my C.V and I am saving £5 a week (alongside debt payments) out of £71 to try and save cash to study.
I know my story is to mirror the millions, dont be so eager to believe media bull and condemn everyone. The politicians who slag us off are loaded, get free cash for food, travel and do sod all of worth for the working classes, not one of them comes from a background of budgeting, hard grafting nor life of crisis yet, they have total control of our incomes.
Did you know £2b is unclaimed in benefits every year? Did you know that the benefit system only accounts for 3% of public spending in the UK?. Please get your facts in order, off your damn high horses and stop reading tabloid rubbish before you think you know what you are talking about. Ignorance is not bliss when soaked in arrogance