Sacked on the spot after 4 years

j.e.j.

Is the 'problem' (if I can put it that way) SarEl's posting style, or is it more to do with the bickering and fights that seem to break out on a lot of threads on here.

zzzLazyDaisy

I think that the 'problem' is a well known one, which employment lawyers come across all the time....

People who lose their jobs, very often feel that the dismissal must be unfair. After all they have lost their job - and often through no fault of their own, for example if the reason is redundancy, or long term sick leave, or sometimes simply being not capable of doing the job they are paid to do.

Others, who have problems at work, often feel that because they are doing their best, or because everyone else does what they were doing and they were just unlucky to get caught out, or because they are being treated differently from their colleagues in a way that seems unfair to them (but isn't actually unlawful) feel that the law should do something to protect them.

Unfortunately, people like myself, SarEl, KiKi, Uncertain, and others, don't make the law. We don't get drawn into the 'there, theres', and to be truthful, we are not really very interested in the morals, or what the law 'should be' in an ideal world. We just apply the law to the facts as best we can, given that we probably don't have the full facts (and that doesn't mean anyone is telling porkies, but just that very often people don't realise what the relevant facts are, until we have done some digging).

We may have different posting styles, but the bottom line is that we tell it as it is. Otherwise what is the point?

I have just been accused of being rude on another thread because I pointed out that asking the same question several times in several different ways, is unlikely to change the response. I was told by that person that they would never seek my advice in the real world because they don't like my style. Fine, actually I don't take private clients (and neither does SarEl) and I couldn't care less what people think of me (and not surprisingly, that also goes for SarEl) we really are not in this game to win a popularity contest.

But that, I think, is the 'problem'...

TrickyWicky

j.e.j. wrote: »

or is it more to do with the bickering and fights that seem to break out on a lot of threads on here.

There are a lot of those for some reason but I think it goes with the territory of being annonymous online. People can say what they think with minimal responsibility / come back.

I personally think the mods here should be a bit more proactive.

I also think that SarEl should have something in their sig about being a barrister because for someone who hasn't got a clue, it's easy to argue with them and not actually realise that SarEl knows what they're talking about.

emsywoo123

TrickyWicky wrote: »

I personally think the mods here should be a bit more proactive.

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Therein lies the problem I think. There are no mods!

Errata

TrickyWicky wrote: »

There are a lot of those for some reason but I think it goes with the territory of being annonymous online. People can say what they think with minimal responsibility / come back.

I personally think the mods here should be a bit more proactive.
You may have a long wait. Although MSE is worth £87 million, it doesn't have moderators, just Board Guides, and the gang up there top right of the screen 'run' the fora.

I also think that SarEl should have something in their sig about being a barrister because for someone who hasn't got a clue, it's easy to argue with them and not actually realise that SarEl knows what they're talking about.

What someone puts in their signature carries no more weight than the dots used. I could claim to be all manner of things, that wouldn't make it so.
At the end of the day MSE is a social networking website, no more, no less. If people don't like the info they're given, then a wise move would be to find a better 'ole.

zzzLazyDaisy

TrickyWicky wrote: »

I also think that SarEl should have something in their sig about being a barrister because for someone who hasn't got a clue, it's easy to argue with them and not actually realise that SarEl knows what they're talking about.

The only people who 'should' declare some sort of interest are those who have to get permission from MSE to act as official representatives of certain organisations. For everyone else, there is no 'should'. I do it because I want to make it clear that anyone reading my comments should go away and get advice in the real world before relying on them.

But even then.... you don't know who I am... I could be a 12 yr old sitting here in my pj's with my mum shouting up the stairs that it is time for my bed, for all you know.....

dacouch

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

I think that the 'problem' is a well known one, which employment lawyers come across all the time....

People who lose their jobs, very often feel that the dismissal must be unfair. After all they have lost their job - and often through no fault of their own, for example if the reason is redundancy, or long term sick leave, or sometimes simply being not capable of doing the job they are paid to do.

Others, who have problems at work, often feel that because they are doing their best, or because everyone else does what they were doing and they were just unlucky to get caught out, or because they are being treated differently from their colleagues in a way that seems unfair to them (but isn't actually unlawful) feel that the law should do something to protect them.

Unfortunately, people like myself, SarEl, KiKi, Uncertain, and others, don't make the law. We don't get drawn into the 'there, theres', and to be truthful, we are not really very interested in the morals, or what the law 'should be' in an ideal world. We just apply the law to the facts as best we can, given that we probably don't have the full facts (and that doesn't mean anyone is telling porkies, but just that very often people don't realise what the relevant facts are, until we have done some digging).

We may have different posting styles, but the bottom line is that we tell it as it is. Otherwise what is the point?

I have just been accused of being rude on another thread because I pointed out that asking the same question several times in several different ways, is unlikely to change the response. I was told by that person that they would never seek my advice in the real world because they don't like my style. Fine, actually I don't take private clients (and neither does SarEl) and I couldn't care less what people think of me (and not surprisingly, that also goes for SarEl) we really are not in this game to win a popularity contest.

But that, I think, is the 'problem'...

I think it's not just this board that experiences this, I frequent the Insurance Forum on MSE. We have posters (Frequently newbies) who have generally had a problem with their Insurers. People love to hate Insurers so really enjoy venting their anger.

To enable the industry insiders who have the relevant knowledge to answer the questioner's post they need to ask direct questions.

We've seen a lot of the situations posted before so often have an idea of what's happened, however the OPs often avoid answering questions which would enable the question to be answered which can be annoying. It can often appear (If you're in the industry) that the OP is hiding something very important which can either help their case or prove they're a chancer.

The Insurance forum has many different posters who are either in the industry and well informed members of the public etc etc. They all have their different styles and tones of answering and helping posts.

I think it's important that people are not nasty to other posters, however if all posters patted each other on the back it could become incredibly boring and most threads would be dramatically shorter.

As a client, I would expect a learned Barrister to tell me the facts in a straight forward no nonsense way. I would also expect them by virtue of their profession to be gladiatorial.

Bring me a nicey nice Barrister who never ruffles peoples feathers and I'll show you a poor Barrister.

The amount of posters SarEl has helped and also readers of her posts (Including me) who have learnt things from her posts far outweighs anyone upset by her posts.

I also think MSE allowing her signature to note her qualifications would be a good idea so OP's would appreciate her posts rather than take offence at being told how it is would be good thing. I guess MSE would be worried of potential claims against them due to incorrect advice being given. However if they looked into it properly and worked with SarEl something may be possible especially as a Barrister who has retired will still hold Professional Indemnity Insurance (In effect Insurance against incorrect advice)

Let's lay off SarEl, she is doing us a huge favour by giving her advice for free and allow her to give out advice.

The way some people treat SarEl is enough to scare off any other / future properly trained legal professionals from joining MSE and contributing.

Long live the British tradition of the philanthropist.

I'm also a Lazydaisy fan

sofaspud1234

j.e.j. wrote: »

Is the 'problem' (if I can put it that way) SarEl's posting style, or is it more to do with the bickering and fights that seem to break out on a lot of threads on here.

I have
stayed quiet until your post, SarEl's posting style is the very reason bickering breaks out and the with people that gang up with her! I am not here to hang her/him I have stayed quiet looked listenened and here we go again?

spacey2012

A lot of people get enjoyment from watching people getting bullied by the bad guys in life.
When someone shows up who knows how to fight and spoils the fight by pointing out the bullies week spot, the crowd baying for blood, do get rather annoyed.

jadematic

Just want to say thank you for some of the info provided on my original post.

I am still not sure how I stand and if its worth doing anything or just accepting the way the handled it was wrong and that I will not receive any money or notice which stands to be about 8k.

I would like to clear my name as I still believe I was always in the end doing business for them.