Will I get my money?

kevin137

AnxiousMum wrote: »

Vouchers - as good as they might sound at first, just don't work. Canadian welfare recipients get 'food stamps' - supposed to be valid only for food in a store - no allowance to buy cigarettes, alcohol or lottery with them. However, if you take $50 worth of vouchers into the right store, the owner will 'buy' them from you for $25-$30 in cash, which you can spend in whatever way you like. It just leads a certain type of business person to fraudulently put through the vouchers, and the recipient ends up with their cigs and booze, and still no food.

SO they would starve then...! The money the Government give syou is teh minimum, if they wanted to "sell" there vouchers to get cash for a lesser value for cigarettes and booze, then they will starve, and i would have no sympathy...!

Once you have been provided for, it is your decision wether you screw yourself, i just don't like that everyone on benefits is given cash to do with as they please...!!!

Maybe a better way to do it, would be that you get it paid as Cash the 1st 6 months, then you are deemed long term unemployed and get switched to vouchers... I know i would not want to use them, but gives the people who need short term help the dignity of being able to pay with cash, yet the long term who most probably don't have any intention of working the suffering while still being provided for..!

clearingout

kevin137 wrote: »

Once you have been provided for, it is your decision wether you screw yourself, i just don't like that everyone on benefits is given cash to do with as they please...!!!QUOTE]

ah yes, everyone benefits somehow loses the ability to budget, prioritise, make reasonable decisions on behalf of themselves and their families the minute they sign that paperwork. Is that how it happens? We remove dignity from and respect for people the minute they lose their jobs or have their partners walk out on them leaving them with nothing or they are diagnosed with cancer?

kevin137

No i'm not saying that, i just think that there should be a more comprehensive system for long term unemployed, not saying everyone is bad with budgeting, far from it...

I love how people on benefits can budget to smoke 20 ciggies a day, drink 2 nights a week, wear the latest fashion, feed there kids, drive a nice car with insurance etc...

Maybe we have the wrong people running the country, as these people can budget really really well, and we would not have to borrow any money from anywhere else to run the country....

Note the sarcasm...

I know there are people who do it right, but for every employed person who struggles i could find you one on benefit that doesn't...!

labyrinth84

I think it would definitely encourage people to seek work!

I'm not too fussed if a long-term unemployed feels his rights aren't the same as the employed....earn your wage, earn the right to spend how you like. Beg- well beggers can't be choosers!

And to be frank, I'm sick of a tasty chunk of tax coming out of my wage to pay for them!

Families with kids under 4, disabled and newly unemployed excluded from my rant of course

kevin137

labyrinth84 wrote: »

And to be frank

Really....? You are Frank...??? Well nice to meet you Frank...

It is a privilege not a right in my eyes, if you where born anywhere outside of Europe, and indeed in some of the countries as well, you would not get anything, let alone the money you do...

It is a very bloated, confusing, over used, abused and useless system...!

There should be a 2 tierd system... And i don't care WHO it offends...

If you have never worked here, or have not worked for a minimum of 5 years without making a claim, then your entitlements should be less and you should live on vouchers...!!!

If you have worked for more than 5 years without claiming, then you should get a slightly higher rate for 6 months, then move down to the other rate...!

There is work out there for anyone who wants it...! I don't believe that you cannot get a job, maybe you are being too choosy if you can't, i have cleaned toilets in a hospital, for mentally challenged people and that was my lowest in terms of work, cleaning sh*t from the walls was not my idea of a good job... BUT it paid my bills and kept me from benefit...! I did it for 18 months... I was a bailiff for a while, car repossessions was what i did, and that i really did enjoy, that was something i took great pleasure in. And while it was pleasurable to take things away from people who didn't pay for them, there where also the odd occasions that we left belongings that we should of taken because of genuine circumstances... Including a woman who had 2 disabled children and her husband had walked out leaving her to foot the bill, the car was in his name as was the finance, but we let her keep it, and 6 months later got the thanks for it, she paid in full kept the car, and sent us a bottle for our troubles... I also suffered abuse from lowlife scum who expect everything for free while a bus driver in London, and that was awful, but paid slightly better... I have been a tyre fitter for a while as well. And i worked for myself as a photographer and had my own business in the hire industry for tv and film which i sold before leaving the UK...

So if you really want to work, don't tell me there is nothing you can do that fits in with the hours you need, you are just not looking hard enough if you can't find anything...!

It is nearly always more about why should i, i get more sitting at home that i do working...!

janninew

UsetheFORCE wrote: »

I don't take it personally, the sooner the government makes BOTH parents responsible the better. My ex has been on IS now for SIX years, one child...that is taking the !!!!. I will have my son if it is too much trouble for her to pay towards him.

This post was to do with maintenance, If I have to contribute, the PWC should also have to contribute, simple. Whether you are much better off or not doesn't come in to it, PWC's should contribute in the same way an NRP does! They shouldn't be allowed to sit on benefits.

It ain't negative, it ain't ill informed....it is simply about a fair playing field! The law doesn't take into account why you split up, it doesn't care about your cost of living, it doesn't care about your welfare....

Anyway, good luck with your work...

I must say I do agree totally about making BOTH parents financially responsible for their children's upbringing.

My Brother was with a girl for a couple of years and they had a baby, she left him when the baby was a few months old. He pays her just over £500.00 per month (he's a Surveyor) and she has now been on full lone parent benefits for nearly 5 years (little boy started school in September 2012) She has a very good quality of life, much better than my childless sister who works for min wage! The little boy is very happy, both are good parents and he spends 3 nights a week with my brother and the other 4 with his mum, holidays are normally spent with my brother. My brother works hard to keep a nice house for him and his son and works 50+ hours a week, I'm not really sure what his ex does all day when the little lads at school or for the full weekend, every weekend when their son is with Dad? But clearly she hasn't got time to work!

debrag

clearingout wrote: »

we'll have to agree to differ, Kevin. Yes, they do use vouchers in America and the welfare stories that come from there are terrible. We shouldn't ever aspire to be like them.

maybe they should extreme coupon once a month as well I think food stamps are a good idea, though should include toiletries, which its doesn't in America.

shoe*diva79

janninew wrote: »

I must say I do agree totally about making BOTH parents financially responsible for their children's upbringing.

My Brother was with a girl for a couple of years and they had a baby, she left him when the baby was a few months old. He pays her just over £500.00 per month (he's a Surveyor) and she has now been on full lone parent benefits for nearly 5 years (little boy started school in September 2012) She has a very good quality of life, much better than my childless sister who works for min wage! The little boy is very happy, both are good parents and he spends 3 nights a week with my brother and the other 4 with his mum, holidays are normally spent with my brother. My brother works hard to keep a nice house for him and his son and works 50+ hours a week, I'm not really sure what his ex does all day when the little lads at school or for the full weekend, every weekend when their son is with Dad? But clearly she hasn't got time to work!

She wont be on income support as a lone parent as the child is 5. She will have been moved to JSA and will have to be actively seeking employment. Unless she has another child still under 5?

shoe*diva79

Food vouchers are already in place here. They are called Healthy Start vouchers and can only be used on Fruit and Veg. I think they are available if you have a child under 5 and its £3.10 per week. I think thats per child who is under 5 but dont quote me on it.

debrag

I thought American food stamps were for kids of all ages and families on low income?