Will I get my money?

labyrinth84

The government does not pay the benefits. The taxpayer does. The taxpayer does not have a choice where the money is spent and where it isn't. The taxpayer does not get their rent/mortgage/council tax paid, so has little choice where their money is spent.

Is it not my human right to have a car? I work, I can't afford one. I have to use public transport, if not walk. I walk every morning to school then the 2 miles to work and again at night. Would you have a cut of your benefits taken to cover the working having cars? I shouldn't have to struggle with bags and kids, surely?

Is it not my human right to be able to shop where I choose? Would you pay a cut out of your benefits to enable me to shop at Tesco rather than Aldi?

It is not my human right to spend Christmas with my child? If so, would you pay a cut out of benefits to pay for me to stay at home, rather than me have to take the time unpaid because the 5 weeks a year I'm allocated does not cover the time I need to spend with my child?

I pay a cut out of my wages to enable non-workers to have the choices I don't!

I don't believe a non-working family should be hungry, homeless, cold, or without the things they need. But I do think vouchers would be a great way of ensuring these families have the things they need without providing more excess cash than what working families have.

I worked in a local bar for 12 months to pay for my car, friday and saturday nights after a 40 hour week in my full time job. Guess who I was serving week in week out- the unemployed! The employed were behind the bar

The human right thing is used constantly... recently, the government brought in a scheme with some high street stores that they would take on some unemployed who 'couldn't find work' for a number of weeks, offered training with the prospect of a job at the end. 'Slave Labour' they screamed...hang on, if you broke down the benefits to an hourly rate- they were on far more than what we are on! So what they meant was, I don't want THAT job, when I'm getting no more than what I get sat at home!

But, from what I've read online, soon benefits will start being cut for the unemployed if they haven't actively sought work. Unless they have children under 5....the birth rates will certainly go up

kevin137

clearingout wrote: »

oh and buses aren't great here either. Not sure they're good anywhere outwith the major urban centres in the UK.

That the difference, i live in the 6th biggest town in Norway... And we only have a bus like that... Urban, we ARE urban...

I understand the whole disagreement about benefits and vouchers etc etc. It is like that because we have been far too soft for far too long which is why we are in the mess with the UK that we are in...

I mean, lets be honest, what would you rather... Less immigrants meaning more work for UK people, or more immigrants meaning employers pay ever less meaning UK people don't want to work...

And we ALL know that the only reason we have such a problem with immigration in the 1st place is because our benefit system is sooooooo generous. I mean open a paper, and that is all they tell us...

So, make a choice, do we (not me, i left) want the UK for people from the UK to have jobs in the UK with a benefit system that is fair to all that where born in the UK, meaning that you could actually get a job as there would be less foreign spongers added into the mix, which would leave jobs open that the benefits agency could offer to the lazy gits that would then have no choice but to work or have there benefit stopped meaning that there would be more people working, providing more income to the government so services could improve and tax could be reduced meaning a better standard of living for all...

Or do you want it as it is...?

UsetheFORCE

clearingout wrote: »

what some people fail to realise is that a period on benefit is all that some PWC can manage, particularly when a relationship breaks down and they aren't working at that point. I did it for 2 years because I had only one days work a week and was pregnant when my ex left me (simply didn't come home one day, sent me an e-mail to let me know). It took me an awful long time to get to grips with what was happening and finding a way out of the mess. I was lucky - I am educated and had a long work experience to fall back on, good references and 'someting up my sleeve' in terms of my life ambitions. I was able to re-train in a year and thankfully find a job after that (although it's not a permanent job, I am covering maternity at present). I also didn't struggle with any kind of depression following my marriage breakdown and my personal 'make up' is such that I'll stick two fingers up at people like my ex before I let him have the rest of my life. I did, however, still find it very hard to re-think my life and how I was going to make the pieces of the jigsaw fit back together.

Unfortunately, as I said to wayne a few days ago, working your way out of benefits as a lone parent with several children and low salary prospects can be very difficult. At minimum wage and reliant on housing benefit to keep a roof over my head, the figures wouldn't add up for me. And that is the reality of life for many single parents. Rather than judge them for not working, it would be better to look at ways of supporting a PWC to improve their job prospects and find ways of avoiding childcare costs which are an enormous drain on earnings (even with tax credit support). It would also be helpful if this could be done in such a way as to tell the PWC that she is not 'bad' or 'stupid' or 'usless' as a mother for trying to juggle life as a single working parent.

All too often we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. I have lost count of the number of people who, one way or another, were happy to condemn me as a single parent on benefits and continue to be happy to condem me as a single working parent who has to have her children in childcare from 8am - 6pm. Moreover, as a single parent, I seem to have to accept near strangers, actual strangers and so called 'frfiends' having a say in my life in a way that they wouldn't have dared say anything when I had a wedding ring on my finger. The biggest hurdle for single parents to overcome is society and it's many negative opinions of us. In my experience, most of us mourn the loss of our relationships, re-group and get on with life pretty quickly. But that doesn't stop the world and his wife from saying to our faces that we are nothing but scum and should be ashamed of ourselves. So p*** off and take your negative, ill informed opinions elsewhere (not personal, just aimed generally!)!!!!!

I don't take it personally, the sooner the government makes BOTH parents responsible the better. My ex has been on IS now for SIX years, one child...that is taking the !!!!. I will have my son if it is too much trouble for her to pay towards him.

This post was to do with maintenance, If I have to contribute, the PWC should also have to contribute, simple. Whether you are much better off or not doesn't come in to it, PWC's should contribute in the same way an NRP does! They shouldn't be allowed to sit on benefits.

It ain't negative, it ain't ill informed....it is simply about a fair playing field! The law doesn't take into account why you split up, it doesn't care about your cost of living, it doesn't care about your welfare....

Anyway, good luck with your work...

galangm8

DUTR wrote: »

As I mentioned originally , no one has given a reason why I should?

Love is something you give to recieve, if you ain't recieving it, then there is no need to 'hang around' in that enviroment (no ifs and or buts).
I don't complain about paying my dues, but some people are hurting in exchange for 'bragging rights'
Bullying of any kind is never acceptable (whichever way it is dressed up, so I shouldn't feel a certain way to suit others )

So let me ask again, why should I ? Not how does it suit others?

Well I've tried very hard to fathom out your cryptic clue replies to 'questions asked'.

I did notice recently you had really mellowed or lowered your guard and showing a little bit of emotion in your posts and from the above response, I've come to the conclusion:

'You're a cuddly, little, puddy cat on the quiet.'

Try giving some love to your child and you will receive.

Why would you not receive any love from your child? Don't let mother or anyone stand in the way and prevent you from having a relationship.

Even if it did not work out, at least you tried and let YOUR child be the one to tell you if no contact is wanted.

DUTR

galangm8 wrote: »

Well I've tried very hard to fathom out your cryptic clue replies to 'questions asked'.

I did notice recently you had really mellowed or lowered your guard and showing a little bit of emotion in your posts and from the above response, I've come to the conclusion:

'You're a cuddly, little, puddy cat on the quiet.'

Try giving some love to your child and you will receive.

Why would you not receive any love from your child? Don't let mother or anyone stand in the way and prevent you from having a relationship.

Even if it did not work out, at least you tried and let YOUR child be the one to tell you if no contact is wanted.

That is true, just like everybody else.
Have a look at this thread , it will give you more of an outline of my episode and perhaps answer some of your questions

AnxiousMum

Vouchers - as good as they might sound at first, just don't work. Canadian welfare recipients get 'food stamps' - supposed to be valid only for food in a store - no allowance to buy cigarettes, alcohol or lottery with them. However, if you take $50 worth of vouchers into the right store, the owner will 'buy' them from you for $25-$30 in cash, which you can spend in whatever way you like. It just leads a certain type of business person to fraudulently put through the vouchers, and the recipient ends up with their cigs and booze, and still no food.

labyrinth84

AnxiousMum wrote: »

Vouchers - as good as they might sound at first, just don't work. Canadian welfare recipients get 'food stamps' - supposed to be valid only for food in a store - no allowance to buy cigarettes, alcohol or lottery with them. However, if you take $50 worth of vouchers into the right store, the owner will 'buy' them from you for $25-$30 in cash, which you can spend in whatever way you like. It just leads a certain type of business person to fraudulently put through the vouchers, and the recipient ends up with their cigs and booze, and still no food.

Yes, I can see how that would cause problems...

Vouchers that can be spent in supermarkets that also include a % for cigs and booze?

This country is getting a little out of hand with the money given to benefit claimers being roughly the same as an average wage.

AnxiousMum

Oh I know Labyrinth.....we used to live next door to a real charmer.....never worked a day in the last 15 years, his partner has never worked (nor would she be employable!). Knowing that they were unable to provide for their own family when they got together and she had one child, they went on to have four more. I also have five children, three with my current partner. My partner is a teacher who at the time was earning in the region of £35K pa. Our charming neighbour used to be quite clear on how stupid he thought we were, when he, with five children, could 'earn' that same £35K per year with various benefits, council tax, dental and optical care, free lunches, housing benefit etc. And that was before he did his 'cash' jobs doing odd handyjobs around the area. Yes I reported him, and yes, it felt good when he got caught. He can't drive now - as has a conviction for fraud and can't get insurance. Oh diddums.

labyrinth84

AnxiousMum wrote: »

Oh I know Labyrinth.....we used to live next door to a real charmer.....never worked a day in the last 15 years, his partner has never worked (nor would she be employable!). Knowing that they were unable to provide for their own family when they got together and she had one child, they went on to have four more. I also have five children, three with my current partner. My partner is a teacher who at the time was earning in the region of £35K pa. Our charming neighbour used to be quite clear on how stupid he thought we were, when he, with five children, could 'earn' that same £35K per year with various benefits, council tax, dental and optical care, free lunches, housing benefit etc. And that was before he did his 'cash' jobs doing odd handyjobs around the area. Yes I reported him, and yes, it felt good when he got caught. He can't drive now - as has a conviction for fraud and can't get insurance. Oh diddums.

He sounds like a good few people I know!

I'm sure you also had the satisfaction that your children were born through love and wanting of children, and not for an increase in benefits.

My partner and I would love a child of our own (he has 2 from a previous, I have 1) but we just couldn't afford to extend the family right now, and wouldn't dream of doing so for an extra few £ in hand-outs. Our time will come though, when debt is cleared and our hard work pays off

AnxiousMum

Had they been born here in the UK, I doubt we'd have five! We could afford five in Canada.....here? It's damned hard and we both work! But hey - we are free to leave if it gets too hard!