contraception pill given in schools

1jim

verysillyguy06 wrote: »

I let you go first as you had all the links....by the way, the second one only talks about minors between 16-18...did you really not read them before you posted them? Why not? If you did, why post that link if it is clearly not relevant in situations with the pill for 14 year olds?

No I insist, as an expert in these matters, let's here how it should be done and lets see if my understanding is incorrect

verysillyguy06

1jim wrote: »

No I insist, as an expert in these matters, let's here how it should be done and lets see if my understanding is incorrect

I must insist as you have yet to answer any question I asked you....and I have answered yours :D

1jim

verysillyguy06 wrote: »

I must insist as you have yet to answer any question I asked you....and I have answered yours :D

No no no, you first

verysillyguy06

1jim wrote: »

No no no, you first

You sure now? You happy to state all these things, ask questions, get the answers and still hang back with any kind of qualitative substance to contribute regarding the points I raised?

I am feeling a bit like talking to myself ....:(


Sure now?


Give me at least this: If both taken seriously and in the right 'lawful' context...considering you just raised doubts if a GP knows their patients.

given your understanding of the Gillick competency and the subsequent Fraser guidelines, are they currently being met? In a school setting ?

j.e.j.

re, post #82 I cannot quote you, because you've answered within a quote, but honestly, I am giving up trying to reason with you.

If you honestly think there's no difference between a child (and a 14-yr-old IS a child) taking themselves to the doctor, who has their medical records there, and knows their medical history, to ask for the Pill versus the child potentially going into the nurses room at school and spinning the nurse any old waffle just so that they can get the Pill as easily and conveniently as possible, then I don't know what to say.

I am not a fan of faith schools but seriously I am starting to see why they are becoming popular among some parents, as is home-schooling your kids.

We do NOT need to be offering 14 year olds easy access to the Pill, - we need to be educating them about not becoming parents at such a young age, and about making other life choices.

nickyhutch

j.e.j. wrote: »

Yes.

1) She would be going to the GP and asking for the contraception,as opposed to having contraception 'waved in front of her' in a non-medical environment
2) The GP has her medical records there and is medically trained, experienced and qualified
3) she can tell her mates, but it is then up to them to go to their own GPs, rather than casually asking the school nurse for their own packet of Pills!

You seriously think a school nurse is not "trained, experienced and qualified", girls go and "casually ask" for contraceptive pills and that the school nurse "waves them in front of them"?

Honestly? What are you basing this on? I work in school health and alongside contraceptive services and young people's services, and I can promise you it does not happen like that.

j.e.j.

nickyhutch wrote: »

You seriously think a school nurse is not "trained, experienced and qualified", girls go and "casually ask" for contraceptive pills and that the school nurse "waves them in front of them"?

Honestly? What are you basing this on? I work in school health and alongside contraceptive services and young people's services, and I can promise you it does not happen like that.

Some of my wording was a bit flippant, but my main points are:
*The child's medical records are at the GP surgery. Therefore the child is less able to lie or omit details about their health when asking for the Pill
*Kids DO know about contraception. They sometimes (or often?)choose not to use them. Therefore, it's not a lack of contraception that's the problem, it's lack of education.
*A school is a place for learning, it's not a blimmin sexual health clinic!

verysillyguy06

Clinics are staffed by doctors and nurses who have specialist training in contraception & sexual health. The clinical lead is Dr Susmita Ray, consultant gynaecologist. The departmental manager is Senior Sister, Lesley Dodgson. Both are based at Laura Mitchell Health Centre.

Susmita and Lesley are supported by two part-time doctors, seven staff nurses, two health care assistants, one secretary and four clerical officers.

In addition to contraceptive methods, Advice is given regarding the menopause, general sexual health issues and information regarding termination of pregnancy with onward referral as necessary. Some asymptomatic STI screening and cervical smears are also undertaken.





http://www.cht.nhs.uk/services/clinical-services-a-z/children-womens-services/contraception-and-sexual-health/




So, where is the training in relationship issues? How the teenage mind works?

How many receive training to recognise exploitation?

Jinx

As a parent I would be happy for my child to go to either style of clinic - the school nurse or the doc at the local practice. Both are qualified (and no doubt very experienced) health professionals and both can do the checks such as BP. While the school would not hold the medical records the conversation re the contraception would cover relevant health concerns which I would expect a 14 year old to be able to discuss.

j.e.j.

verysillyguy06 wrote: »

So, where is the training in relationship issues? How the teenage mind works?

How many receive training to recognise exploitation?

exactly this.. we are not dealing with adults here.