contraception pill given in schools

verysillyguy06

Person_one wrote: »

I wouldn't make too much effort to convince VSG on this, its come up before a lot and he has very fixed views on the subject.

And what is wrong with this? I think it is great like with Nicky when the system works as it is intended but this is not always the norm and to think it is , is rather naive.

Do you know how big the shortage is of school nurses?

Do you think a teenager has to prove their age in a walk-in-centre when their is no school nurse?

You think every teenager does not know how to play the system?

Sexual exploitation is a real danger and often not spotted.

Can you give me another example where an 'illegal' activity is actively supported by professionals? Under the great guise of the NHS patient's confidentiality?

It was made a 'political' issue and that is still why mainly everyone seems to hide behind a 'legal' truth which has yet to be tested in court ...


Ok, I am making more a stronger opposite stance than I feel but the gist is the same: It is the most 'sly' arrangement in the civilised world without a proper and tested legal back-up. The seriousness and proper use of the Gillick Competency test and the Frazer guidelines are again and again used too flippantly without real knowledge unless in the situation the nicky described.


Yes, it has done wonders to many teenagers and saved their health but to ignore the other side is naive

verysillyguy06

KxMx wrote: »

Not teenagers no. And I am young enough to remember how my own overbearing mother treated me at that age and (i hope) to better see the younger persons side rather than the parent.

When you've had a very controlling parent i'm afraid the default view is usually in favor of the young person and not the parent. And not being a parent myself I am all for the rights of the young person because I have no experience of parenthood but I have been a young person!

Aw yes, no young person has been exploited, no young person is forced in the world to have sex...there are no sex slaves where the overbearing adult can get the teenager to get protection to avoid pregnancies and ensures they are used for longer... no boyfriends who put the pressure on.....


It is a nice bubble you live in :cool:

KxMx

verysillyguy06 wrote: »

Aw yes, no young person has been exploited, no young person is forced in the world to have sex...there are no sex slaves where the overbearing adult can get the teenager to get protection to avoid pregnancies and ensures they are used for longer... no boyfriends who put the pressure on.....


It is a nice bubble you live in :cool:

And I am assuming only parents can spot these and not sexual health care professionals who have received specialist training because of their area of work :cool:

verysillyguy06

KxMx wrote: »

And I am assuming only parents can spot these and not sexual health care professionals who have received specialist training because of their area of work :cool:

That is not what I am saying but do you really know what a Gillick competency establishes? And you think someone in a walk-in centre who meets the child, yes, sorry to say but it is still a child, for the very first time can establish this within what? How many hours do you think they spend with the teenager?

Would you not want the 'professional' to have as much knowledge about the child as possible? Are you that naive to think that every teenager will say the truth? What about if the child is send by the father? Or the nice Uncle?

j.e.j.

I must say, having read this thread, I am shocked (but not surprised) that a lot of people think it perfectly fine that the situation has come about where a 14-year-old girl could be given the Pill, at school, without her parents knowledge, and her first health check for cervical cancer (in England at least) won't be for another 11 years :eek:

Moerover, people who are pushing for the Pill to be available to schoolchildren in a school environment are missing one or two salient points:
1) The sort of girl who is having sexual relationships and getting pregnant at 14 may well not be the sort of teen who is going to be attending school regularly anyway, so offering the Pill in school is a bit of a red herring. This is by no means intended to be mean or snobbish, but unfortunately as a general rule the less intelligent they are, the earlier they tend to have sex, and have babies
And 2) The Pill only works if it's taken properly, and it takes a degree of maturity on the Pill-taker's part to remember to take them regularly, and to use back-up contraception if they have been sick. Which, if they're going out drinking and sh@gging at 14, is a very likely scenario.

But.. if that's the way things are that's the way things are. I personally will never say that giving children The Pill at school is ok, but I accept there are people who do.

nickyhutch

j.e.j. wrote: »

I must say, having read this thread, I am shocked (but not surprised) that a lot of people think it perfectly fine that the situation has come about where a 14-year-old girl could be given the Pill, at school, without her parents knowledge, and her first health check for cervical cancer (in England at least) won't be for another 11 years :eek:

Moerover, people who are pushing for the Pill to be available to schoolchildren in a school environment are missing one or two salient points:
1) The sort of girl who is having sexual relationships and getting pregnant at 14 may well not be the sort of teen who is going to be attending school regularly anyway, so offering the Pill in school is a bit of a red herring. This is by no means intended to be mean or snobbish, but unfortunately as a general rule the less intelligent they are, the earlier they tend to have sex, and have babies
And 2) The Pill only works if it's taken properly, and it takes a degree of maturity on the Pill-taker's part to remember to take them regularly, and to use back-up contraception if they have been sick. Which, if they're going out drinking and sh@gging at 14, is a very likely scenario.

But.. if that's the way things are that's the way things are. I personally will never say that giving children The Pill at school is ok, but I accept there are people who do.

I don't mean to be rude, but that's hogwash.

1jim

j.e.j. wrote: »

I must say, having read this thread, I am shocked (but not surprised) that a lot of people think it perfectly fine that the situation has come about where a 14-year-old girl could be given the Pill, at school, without her parents knowledge, and her first health check for cervical cancer (in England at least) won't be for another 11 years

I am more shocked, but not surprised that a lot of people would prefer to make it more difficult for this sexually active 14 year old to get contraception to reduce risk of pregnancy, sti and cancers

verysillyguy06

1jim wrote: »

I am more shocked, but not surprised that a lot of people would prefer to make it more difficult for this sexually active 14 year old to get contraception to reduce risk of pregnancy, sti and cancers

Exactly, she and the professionals who gave her the means to do so, should be brought to justice.....





It is against the law.....something you think is unimportant

claire16c

j.e.j. wrote: »

I must say, having read this thread, I am shocked (but not surprised) that a lot of people think it perfectly fine that the situation has come about where a 14-year-old girl could be given the Pill, at school, without her parents knowledge, and her first health check for cervical cancer (in England at least) won't be for another 11 years :eek:

Moerover, people who are pushing for the Pill to be available to schoolchildren in a school environment are missing one or two salient points:
1) The sort of girl who is having sexual relationships and getting pregnant at 14 may well not be the sort of teen who is going to be attending school regularly anyway, so offering the Pill in school is a bit of a red herring. This is by no means intended to be mean or snobbish, but unfortunately as a general rule the less intelligent they are, the earlier they tend to have sex, and have babies
And 2) The Pill only works if it's taken properly, and it takes a degree of maturity on the Pill-taker's part to remember to take them regularly, and to use back-up contraception if they have been sick. Which, if they're going out drinking and sh@gging at 14, is a very likely scenario.

But.. if that's the way things are that's the way things are. I personally will never say that giving children The Pill at school is ok, but I accept there are people who do.

Where did anyone say it was fine that the smear test age is 25?

That is a completely seperate subject.

If the person is that immature, then why wouldnt you want them to have the easiest accesss to contraception possible in order to prevent them reproducing? Its really not had to take a pill every day. Its no different to brushing your teeth.

And even if you miss one its better than having taken none at all.

1jim

verysillyguy06 wrote: »

Exactly, she and the professionals who gave her the means to do so, should be brought to justice.....





It is against the law.....something you think is unimportant

So challenge this action in the courts, I suggest it would be futile as there are so many groups with the same view you have that if there was a reasonable chance of success they would have done so long ago, but if you feel health professionals should be prosecuted why not do so


While you are at it, why not launch a case against needle exchanges, prostitute outreach programmes or other services who support vulnerable people as they are clearly aiding and abetting