Should I pay a 'charge notice' for parking in my own parking space?!

I-LOV-MONEY

Let me just throw a different perspective to this.

If your private estate is in an area which is completely metered control / permit parking (local council), you would not want anybody else using your space.

If everybody assumes they are not allowed to park there then hopefully they won't.

I am not trying to defend the PPCs but they do have their uses!

Half_way

As far as i can see the only 'use' for a PPC is to make their directors/owners/bossess money.

edward123

Half_way wrote: »

As far as i can see the only 'use' for a PPC is to make their directors/owners/bossess money.

I agree. Its why they exist. If they didn't get the money they did they would cease to operate as PPC's altogther/disappear of the scene as they would not be interested in any one's parking space/area/needs at all.

The_White_Horse_2

Thanks everyone for all of your help. I've complained to the property management company who just told me to deal directly with the PPC. I have not contacted the PPC and the "deadline" for appeals is in a few days. The appeals process offered by the PPC insists that "all appeals must include your name, address, reference number and vehicle registration".

I take this as an indication that they perhaps have no legal means of establishing my name and address unless I give it to them (I have emailed the DVLA to confirm that they are not members of the AOS scheme). Is it possible that they might ask the property management company for my details? Would it be possible for the property management company to provide them?

ManxRed

They'd be breaching the Data Protection Act if they did.

Remind the Management Company that under the Law of Agency they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent, the PPC, and that any legal action for damages that you take against the PPC, you aill also take against them. And that you have no intention of dealing with a disreputable company that they have chosen to contract with.

ampersand

Please just read coupon-mad's excellent signature and give this nonsense no more thought.

If you must, stow any 'correspondence'[although that term is pitching it a bit high, given their generally poor grammar and spelling]in a dark place and let it grow as evidence of harrassment.

Do nothing more now except relax and enjoy your Crimbo. These firms have NO grounds for any action against you. You may well have a case against both them and your management company, if such garbage continues. Reading the other Threads on these cowboys will give you great heart and ease of mind - please do this.

pogofish

I-LOV-MONEY wrote: »

I am not trying to defend the PPCs but they do have their uses!

So do these - with the added bonus that they don't issue fake tickets and try to rip you off!

The_Slithy_Tove

The_White_Horse wrote: »

Thanks everyone for all of your help. I've complained to the property management company who just told me to deal directly with the PPC.

Go back to the management company, and remind them that (a) they are responsible for the actions of their agents, and they need to deal with this, and (b) their agents (the PPC) must keep out of your property henceforth. Be hard with them, ensure you talk to someone with some authority, and don't take any c**p from them.

The_White_Horse wrote: »

I have not contacted the PPC ...

I take this as an indication that they perhaps have no legal means of establishing my name and address unless I give it to them (I have emailed the DVLA to confirm that they are not members of the AOS scheme). Is it possible that they might ask the property management company for my details? Would it be possible for the property management company to provide them?

Keep it that way. If they get your name and address, then someone's for the high jump.

And TELL YOUR NEIGHBOURS about this scam.

NotanIdiot

The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »

Go back to the management company, and remind them that (a) they are responsible for the actions of their agents, and they need to deal with this, and (b) their agents (the PPC) must keep out of your property henceforth. Be hard with them, ensure you talk to someone with some authority, and don't take any c**p from them..

As proven most recently in Van Spall vs British Waterways Marinas Ltd 2011

In a hearing at Hull County Court, Deputy District Judge Paul Beevers agreed the private company should be held liable.

He said: "This is not a case where Sector Security could be called specialised contractors, where British Waterways may be able to say: 'We're not liable for their actions." Therefore, British Waterways are, on the face of it, liable to repay the £250.

"British Waterways are liable in civil law for the acts of its contractors, and Sector Security are contractors."

Wave that at them, nothing puts the willies up private companies more than case law.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Clamped-driver-sues-firm-hired-clampers/story-11962039-detail/story.html

simmyuk

I've received the fine (today) because I didn't have a 2013 permit (they issue one every year). But in this case it wasn't my fault because they always send the permit to my letting agency and they haven't send it to me. I have emails since Jan, 2 asking them for the permit, so this should count as proof it is not my fault, correct?