Universal Jobmatch - non mandatory

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Jerry_Mander wrote: »

Universal Jobmatch will be mandatory in the New Year!

Just heard the report on Radio4.

It hasn't been made clear yet whether ticking the 'JCP snoopers box' is mandatory or whether just joining up to UJ is mandatory, but as 35-hour per week compulsory job search is coming in in April, ticking that box is how they will monitor this and so ultimately, if not initially, then by April it will be too.

You are right,i heard this on the radio late last night , i just cant see how they can force people into this,maybe the barrister on here could enlighten us with his knowledge on data privacy protection laws.I don't think anyone need to be forced to use a particular website,i search 30 specialist web sites and i certainly wont find work of any financial substance on one set up by the government.You only have to look at the last effort,the jobs are the same in quality and quantity,so why so keen to force this upon people "the unemployed" i think we know exactly whats going on here,there will be sanctions flying all over the place next year like they've never seen before and ids and his clowns will be happy

rich_and_corpulent_mp

dam_fools wrote: »

Ian duncan smith is a c***!!

His comments about the poor and the sick and jobseekers are certainly what you would expect a c*** in his position to come out with. He and his mates. I'm hoping that one of these days he has a stroke and ends up in a home having his daiper changed by an angry and untrained and uncaring forced welfare to work claimant.

rich_and_corpulent_mp

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

Universal Jobmatch will be mandatory in the New Year!

Just heard the report on Radio4.

It hasn't been made clear yet whether ticking the 'JCP snoopers box' is mandatory or whether just joining up to UJ is mandatory, but as 35-hour per week compulsory job search is coming in in April, ticking that box is how they will monitor this and so ultimately, if not initially, then by April it will be too.

"35-hour per week compulsory job search" lol! I don't think that's on. You'd be applying for the same jobs over and over again if you had to sit at a computer for 35 hours seach for jobs. Naa I think it's far more likely for most of those 35 hours they'll have you out scrubbing Mrs Tesco's floors or Mr Poundlands steps or the like. And don't expect to get paid more than peanuts er I mean your dole for doing that neither!

rich_and_corpulent_mp

jobseeking_help wrote: »

Dear G-G

Highly unlikely I think. It would need a change in the law. How could you put into place legislation that specifies JSA claimants only use 1 jobsite to provide evidence that the claimant is actively seeking employment. Some jobs on UJM require a phone call and thus are not registered as activity.
Can't see how UC will change this basic problem

All the best .... 'oh happy day.... oh happy day'

"Highly unlikely I think. It would need a change in the law." That's what they said before they invaded Iraq.

rich_and_corpulent_mp

krok wrote: »

This is why you should not give away your details to a so called job search site. Are you not aware that forcing someone to give their personal details to a third party breaches the data protection act.
This is a letter i gave to the job center manager last time i signed on. I have had no trouble from them since.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am trying to find a job. I search for jobs. I apply for any for which I am qualified. I even apply for some for which I am not qualified but which I believe I could do. I have applied to register on the Universal Jobmatch site. But I do not consent to have my personal details given to a third party.

You must be aware that the internet is used by malicious and mischievous people who try to trick others into giving up valuable personal information which can be used for criminal purposes.

The first Principle of the Data Protection Act, 1998, gives me the legal right to withhold personal information. I do not give my consent for my personal information to be given to commercial organisations which I choose not to give it to. It is not necessary for me to give away this right for the purposes of searching for a job. This is particularly important in offering protection against my personal information being used by criminals.

Monster Jobs has been hacked into before and will be hacked into again.

Government sites have been hacked into before and will be hacked into again.

Information held by the Government, and supposedly kept secure, has been lost and made public - and will be again.

I have no faith in the ability of Monster Jobs or in the Government to keep my personal information safe.

There is an admittance on the Universal Jobmatch site that the security of personal information cannot be guaranteed.

There is no guarantee that personal information cannot be transferred to any country in the world, which is against the Eighth Principle of the Data Protection Act, 1998.

My rights to the privacy of my personal information are also guaranteed under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Job seekers are asked to make their personal information public but the Government will not and cannot offer any protection for it nor does it offer any compensation for the job seekers whose information will be used for criminal purposes.

Anyone registering with the Universal Jobmatch site could be open to exploitation by unscrupulous and fake employers. To get a job, one needs to give the potential employer their name, address, date of birth, NI number and bank details. Job seekers will be forced to hand over this information to anyone who claims to be an employer and who claims to be offering a job to the job seeker. We have already seen bogus job advertisements, including one supposedly for MI6 and another one with a Thailand email address which was a clear attempt at identity theft, and which were not intercepted before appearing on the Universal Jobmatch site. The administrators of that site are clearly incapable of running it correctly and there is no guarantee that matters will improve: every Government-sponsored computerised system has been found to be faulty, and this one follows that pattern.

Job seekers are asked to make their personal information public but the Government will not and cannot offer any protection for it nor does it offer any compensation for the job seekers whose information will be used for criminal purposes.

Because of everything alluded to above I most strongly object to being forced to sign my rights away with Universal Jobmatch. It is an infringement of my rights under the Data Protection Act, 1998 and the European Convention on Human Rights, and will not enhance my ability to find a job. It will leave me vulnerable to criminal activity and could put me in danger in ways that are yet to be determined.

I would only sign my rights away by giving permission to the dwp to see my personal data with the Universal Jobmatch site if I receive a signed letter from a member of the Job Centre or the Department for Work and Pensions which acknowledges my objections and which states that I am being forced or compelled to register on the Universal Jobmatch site under the threat of sanctions.

The letter must contain a complete copy of this letter and must allude to it. It must also agree that I will be entitled to compensation if my personal details are used for criminal purposes or in some way that harms me, my reputation or my prospects.

If I do not receive that letter it will be obvious that there is no legality in the compulsory registration on the Universal Jobmatch site.

If I receive that letter, it will be tacit agreement that the one signing it, or the organisation they represent, will be liable for the payment or provision of any compensation or any other form of redress obtained by me, or by others on my behalf, for the forced loss of my rights under the Data Protection Act, 1998 and/or under the European Convention on Human Rights, or for any loss or inconvenience caused by criminal or mischievous activity because of my personal details being on the Universal Jobmatch site.

I repeat that I am trying to find work, I search in various ways and places and I do not need to give permission to the dwp to see my data on the Universal Jobmatch site but would do so under protest (and maintaining my rights) if given the guarantees I have asked for in this letter and the acknowledgement that I was being coerced by threat of sanctions.

Yours faithfully

"To get a job, one needs to give the potential employer their name, address, date of birth, NI number and bank details." Shocking! Even the police don't ask for your NI Number or bank details - well not until they have thrumped up a charge anyway.

Johnnytwostep

people should spend more time job searching and less time writing letters to the dwp

rich_and_corpulent_mp

xsupercarlx wrote: »

Hmm, sorry but its my human rights to have an opinion (and you're all for human rights, right?) and last time I checked, this was an open forum where one can express personal opinion.

I don't know who you think you are but if you're in a position to prevent free speech or opinion, then go ahead, try it.



Its not malicious at all, It's something we do, you'd be surprised how often people find work when confronted with the prospect of visiting us every day , we have clients come in for intensive job searches for a week or two, maybe longer, just depends.

I have not stated where I work, my posts give the gist of what I do but I'm not willing to give further info than that (not that you asked).

Take care.

Just be careful. Everybody has a breaking point. And I get the impression that more and more mentally ill people are being forced to go through the pressures of non-ill people to seek and find employment. You could just be unlucky enough to come up against someone whose mental condition will cause them to lash out at you whereas an unsick person would probably bite their lip.

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rich_and_corpulent_mp wrote: »

"35-hour per week compulsory job search" lol! I don't think that's on. You'd be applying for the same jobs over and over again if you had to sit at a computer for 35 hours seach for jobs. Naa I think it's far more likely for most of those 35 hours they'll have you out scrubbing Mrs Tesco's floors or Mr Poundlands steps or the like. And don't expect to get paid more than peanuts er I mean your dole for doing that neither!

I totally agree with you,this is the game which will allow then to give out sanctions at a whim.it makes me puke.Sooner this lot are out the better.They are only interested in big business and creating a low wage economy which they are doing very well.

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Johnnytwostep wrote: »

people should spend more time job searching and less time writing letters to the dwp

They would if there was something worth searching for.Something those air heads don't quite grasp is, " having a job dosent mean crap unless it will pay your overheads" a very complicated thing it seems to get into their heads and this stupid lot in government.

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rich_and_corpulent_mp wrote: »

I love seeing "customers" being told er I mean "directed" what to do- or else!

I hope your not trying to put across the DWP actually know what their doing:D