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An independant Scotland will have to reapply to EU
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But your "parliament" is only a glorified county council, spending a generous fixed budget.. The trouble starts when you move the top layer of government to Edinburgh and set your own taxes and benefits and economic policy. Everything changes. Greed is unleashed. There's money up for grabs and everybody wants more of what's in other people's pockets.The public seem happier to have a parliament closer. They certainly give the current government enviable ratings that would turn Cameron green."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
But your "parliament" is only a glorified county council, spending a generous fixed budget.. The trouble starts when you move the top layer of government to Edinburgh and set your own taxes and benefits and economic policy. Everything changes. Greed is unleashed. There's money up for grabs and everybody wants more of what's in other people's pockets.
That's exactly what happened in Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, etc. is it?:rotfl:There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
No, they put all their misanthropes into longboats and sent them over here.That's exactly what happened in Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, etc. is it?:rotfl:"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
You would have to be stark raving mad to campaign for independence on EU entry. If as nationalists say, Scotland is a wealthy country, they will be far more shafted in the EU than they would be in the UK, having to bail out those f3ckless latin countries plus Ireland.
If they are, as detractors say, a poor country, they will be just as shafted by EU membership.
Salmond is clearly rankling Barroso and is refusing to take the deafening silence from Europe about Scottish accession for the enormous hint that it is. Frankly he is starting to look out of his depth. As dislikable as he is he has been very good at rinsing concessions for Scotland out of a British PMs quixotic with anxiety about presiding over the break up of the UK, but he is looking like he will be out of his depth representing a marginal country with little clout in the EU; let alone on the world stage.
Currently Scotland is in the sweet spot, massively over represented in the UK with a significant amount of autonomy locally. As far as I can see independence is all risk and not much reward for Scots.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »You would have to be stark raving mad to campaign for independence on EU entry. If as nationalists say, Scotland is a wealthy country, they will be far more shafted in the EU than they would be in the UK, having to bail out those f3ckless latin countries plus Ireland.
If they are, as detractors say, a poor country, they will be just as shafted by EU membership.
Salmond is clearly rankling Barroso and is refusing to take the deafening silence from Europe about Scottish accession for the enormous hint that it is. Frankly he is starting to look out of his depth. As dislikable as he is he has been very good at rinsing concessions for Scotland out of a British PMs quixotic with anxiety about presiding over the break up of the UK, but he is looking like he will be out of his depth representing a marginal country with little clout in the EU; let alone on the world stage.
Currently Scotland is in the sweet spot, massively over represented in the UK with a significant amount of autonomy locally. As far as I can see independence is all risk and not much reward for Scots.
I thought that at first but for the first time the Scottish media has articles about how strong a hand they can play in EU entry negotiations and how useful it would be to offer a EU referendum after a Yes for independence.
It's started a dialogue in the media that makes Scots take stock and list their strengths and assets instead of the media focus on flaws and weaknesses.
This could be fun!There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
how useful it would be to offer a EU referendum after a Yes for independence.
It would have to have two alternative questions, depending on whether they believe they are already in, or would have to apply.
1) We are in the EU - do you want to leave ?,
or
2) We are not in the EU - do you want to join?This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
Clifford_Pope wrote: »It would have to have two alternative questions, depending on whether they believe they are already in, or would have to apply.
1) We are in the EU - do you want to leave ?,
or
2) We are not in the EU - do you want to join?
This could be folowed by a question on adopting the Euro which will by then be bound up with arguments about whether to retain the £ ?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
God help Scotland if that's the best you can imagine for it.:rotfl:ruggedtoast wrote: »
Currently Scotland is in the sweet spot, massively over represented in the UK with a significant amount of autonomy locally. As far as I can see independence is all risk and not much reward for Scots.
Yawn. Which you're not eligible to do without spending at least two years with a non-euro currency such as the pound sterling or Scottish pound. So why bother?This could be folowed by a question on adopting the Euro which will by then be bound up with arguments about whether to retain the £ ?
They're in until independence anyway so it's gonna be:Clifford_Pope wrote: »It would have to have two alternative questions, depending on whether they believe they are already in, or would have to apply.
1) We are in the EU - do you want to leave ?,
or
2) We are not in the EU - do you want to join?
The instant independence kicks in do you wish Scotland to be in the EU side of the EEA (i.e. dependent) or the EFTA side (i.e. independent).
There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20830201
An intersting take on the Scottish/UK problem ..... regulation without representationFew people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
A really important point everybody seems to be missing (well in the unionist press) is that the EU is inclusive and expansive, makes it up as it goes along, found ways of including East Germans and North Cypriots, and uses its flexibilty to sustain and expand membership and is 100% certain to not expel 5 million Scots their fish and oilfields for so much as a nanosecond.
This is so true and yet you'll stick get people debating it. There is almost nothing I wouldn't bet that Scotland would be welcomed into Europe if it goes independent. Anyone saying otherwise is either trying to scare the Scottish or has not idea about how the EU operates.Having a signature removed for mentioning the removal of a previous signature. Blackwhite bellyfeel double plus good...0
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