An independant Scotland will have to reapply to EU

Graham_Devon

The EU President has stated that if Scotland gained independance, they would have to reapply to the EU as a new country.

An SNP MP has stated he is wrong.

Now, this raises an interesting question. The UK is part of the EU. If Scotland leaves the UK, they will no longer be part of the EU and would have to reapply for membership of the EU. I think that's completely fair, and, well, obvious.

However, the SNP believe they are wrong, and have stated, if thats the case, England, Wales and NI will also have to reapply, however, this seems a little weird, considering we'll still be part of the UK.

Scottish Ministers are determined that they will negotiate their own position from within the EU.

Now, Scotland as an independant nation would be pretty much finished without the EU. However, this could provide a larger degree of support for the SNP....by people who want to leave the Euro!

Could Scotland survive without the Euro? Can THEY determine the negotiations with the EU, the rest of the UK etc? Do they really think they can keep UK defence contracts, when leaving the UK?! Have they thought anything through?!

Apparently the SNP now have plans for "monetry union" with the UK. I mean, whats the point?!

ruggedtoast

I dont think nationalism is often very rational. Politicians are inherently untrustworthy as well IMO. Whatever they say about wanting the best for their country (whatever they think that might be) they mostly want whats best for themselves.

Alex Salmond is never going to be PM of the UK, but he might get to be PM of Scotland. It would look good on his resume.

joolsybools

Alex Salmond has made himself look like a right plank over this. No change there then.

bryanb

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Now, Scotland as an independant nation would be pretty much finished without the EU. However, this could provide a larger degree of support for the SNP....by people who want to leave the Euro!

Could Scotland survive without the Euro?

??? Scotland is not in the Euro!

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

However, the SNP believe they are wrong, and have stated, if thats the case, England, Wales and NI will also have to reapply, however, this seems a little weird, considering we'll still be part of the UK.

Will they?
They certainly would not be United any more.

The UK is an abbreviation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

The Kingdom Great Britain occured as a result of the political Union between England and Scotland in the Acts of Union 1707.

The Kingdom of Ireland merged with the Kingdom of Great Britain after the Irish War of Independance (1919-1921)

So it begs the question, should the union and Great Britain cease to exist, how can England, Wales and Northern Ireland continue to be called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, when Great Britain is broken up?



I think you may have become confused as England being the UK which is understandable given they do not have their own anthem and rely on the UK's anthem

moneyistooshorttomention

Think of the plus side - from the English point of view....

That is - if Scotland becomes an independent nation in its own right and has to apply specially to the E.U. to join up again (and will probably have the sense to take the opportunity provided to NOT do so) then the other side of this is that England and Wales might well get regarded as "independent" nations (ie NOT "Britain") and also have to apply all over again for E.U. membership.

What a golden opportunity for England/Wales/Northern Ireland to just not apply and...bingo...by the "back door" we're also out of the E.U. at last:beer::j:beer:

So - Alex Salmond - "I'm buying - what you drinking?"

Bring it on...:D

IveSeenTheLight

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Think of the plus side - from the English point of view....

That is - if Scotland becomes an independent nation in its own right and has to apply specially to the E.U. to join up again (and will probably have the sense to take the opportunity provided to NOT do so) then the other side of this is that England and Wales might well get regarded as "independent" nations (ie NOT "Britain") and also have to apply all over again for E.U. membership.

What a golden opportunity for England and Wales to just not apply and...bingo...by the "back door" we're also out of the E.U. at last:beer::j:beer:

Bring it on...:D

It's very funny seeing the unionist arguments against an independant Scotland at the same time when they are against being part of the EU ;o)

BertieUK

bryanb wrote: »

??? Scotland is not in the Euro!

I think George is confusing Scotland with the Republic of Ireland, easy thing to do suppose.

Or am I having a Senior moment and thinking of the Euro? whatever.

Graham_Devon

bryanb wrote: »

??? Scotland is not in the Euro!

Yer, obviously, hence they would have to apply.

ruggedtoast

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Will they?
They certainly would not be United any more.

The UK is an abbreviation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

The Kingdom Great Britain occured as a result of the political Union between England and Scotland in the Acts of Union 1707.

The Kingdom of Ireland merged with the Kingdom of Great Britain after the Irish War of Independance (1919-1921)

So it begs the question, should the union and Great Britain cease to exist, how can England, Wales and Northern Ireland continue to be called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, when Great Britain is broken up?



I think you may have become confused as England being the UK which is understandable given they do not have their own anthem and rely on the UK's anthem

By the virtue of no one else in the world giving a monkeys about this topic.

Scotland will vote for independence, England, Wales and Northern Ireland will still be called the UK, and virtually no one outside our borders will realise anything has changed much less actually care about the semantic precedent.

As far as the technicalities go, Scotland ceased to be a sovereign nation after the Act of Union so the area north of Newcastle declaring independence is as irrelevant to the status of the UK as a country as the secession of Essex would be.

Scotland will be a brand new country and have to deal with the world, and the UK, on that basis.

BertieUK

Scotland could be remembering the success that their Irish Celtic cousins made by joining the EU then known as the EEC in 1973.

It had an impact on their development as a nation that not even the mostoptimistic observer of the time could have predicted.

Back then Ireland was regarded by most of the global community as an almost insignificant island, still struggling to find its place in the world more than five decades after gaining independencefrom the UK.

In those years when I worked as a coachdriver the roads were in a very poor state over most of the Republic, a few years after joining the EEC the road restructuring took place throughout the country at an alarming rate. The EEC was picking up 65% of the cost.

So maybe Scotland are remembering their Celtic cousins and what a lifesaver, in those days it was for their country.