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Should Cameron Bottle The TV Election Debates 2015? Clegg & Miliband Seem Up For It
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There in lies the problem. This is why so many folks are disillusioned with politics. Labour in particular spent to much and now they are against every single deficit reduction measure the government has taken.
The deficit is the biggest issue facing the UK and its just fantasy to say that Ed^2 can be credible without a plan.
Labour credibility will be tested in May 2015. Until then it's the governments job to deal with the deficit.
Being in opposition means you can have your cake and eat it. They wouldn't have implemented any failed measures and anything that worked would have been implemented better if they'd been in charge.
I sense a growing disillusionment with politics but I think that's more to do with the politicians than politics per se. I can't remember a time when we had such lightweights in government and opposition. It turns people into cynics - people get more engaged about whether the taxpayer pays for the biscuits at cabinet meetings than whether we bother putting aircraft on aircraft carriers.0 -
I sense a growing disillusionment with politics but I think that's more to do with the politicians than politics per se. I can't remember a time when we had such lightweights in government and opposition. It turns people into cynics - people get more engaged about whether the taxpayer pays for the biscuits at cabinet meetings than whether we bother putting aircraft on aircraft carriers.
I think people more easily see politicians for what they are.
With the vast array of media, statistics, reports and information at our finger tips it often shows how little they really know and how shallow their decisons can be.
Do people turn into cynics or are they born pragmatic realists with a good dose of common sense and just get tired of being misled?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I think this is why people like myself who have had hardly been out of work all these years and has tried to be a family man without having to claim benefit and live off the state, should have to sit and listen to people like David Cameron saying that we are all in it together, this man has no conception of what many of us in Civvy Street have to contend with, if he was able to communicate with this section of society he would reap the benefits.
Yesterday I saw this same man making comment about the horrors that the captive Britain's and others endured during the oilfield crisis and the dreadful outcome that followed. He spoke with a compassion that I have never seen him do before and I was duly impressed, so he can when he is by himself be a completely different person and appear to have feelings. Maybe he should change his Spin Doctors.;)
I'm afraid your opinions appear to be based on deep rooted class prejudice and your perception of personalities. The Labour leadership as a whole are just as much a bunch of "toffs" and out of touch with ordinary people, but because they wear a red rosette you convince yourself that they are really on your side. None of them are these days, they're all just professional polticians many of whom have never done anything else. Voting for politicians who are more "likeable" is a hiding to nothing. That's how Blair got in three times, and look where that took us. You can only aim to choose on the basis of who will prove more managerially competent, and likely to do more things that will benefit the country and less things that won't. But those who let the emotive judgments outweigh the rational will always come to the same conclusion regardless.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »
With the vast array of media, statistics, reports and information at our finger tips it often shows how little they really know and how shallow their decisons can be.
Unfortunately exactly the same applies to the electorate, and you can add apathy to the list. That's how our substandard politicians get away with it.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »I'm afraid your opinions appear to be based on deep rooted class prejudice and your perception of personalities. The Labour leadership as a whole are just as much a bunch of "toffs" and out of touch with ordinary people, but because they wear a red rosette you convince yourself that they are really on your side. None of them are these days, they're all just professional polticians many of whom have never done anything else. Voting for politicians who are more "likeable" is a hiding to nothing. That's how Blair got in three times, and look where that took us. You can only aim to choose on the basis of who will prove more managerially competent, and likely to do more things that will benefit the country and less things that won't. But those who let the emotive judgments outweigh the rational will always come to the same conclusion regardless.
I cannot forget what hardships that I encountered when certain Governments were in power now can I.
George when these 'toffs' can award themselves millions of pounds in bonuses at the stroke of a pen, and manipulate their expences by false claims, then yes I am prejudice , at this next General Election we are all going to have to select who is the best candidate to do the best for our country.
But at the moment who can we trust, our judgment, our previous experiences in past Governments.
We cannot let our emotive judgments outweigh the real facts anymore.0 -
Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »But the LibDems ended up losing seats overall, so arguably the TV debates weren't as influential as everyone likes to think. The political press love them, but I think your average voter isn't that bothered.
I Agree With Nick ....errr... I mean OVJ ! True about evaporation overnight of LibDem support...0 -
I cannot forget what hardships that I encountered when certain Governments were in power now can I.
George when these 'toffs' can award themselves millions of pounds in bonuses at the stroke of a pen, and manipulate their expences by false claims, then yes I am prejudice , at this next General Election we are all going to have to select who is the best candidate to do the best for our country.
But at the moment who can we trust, our judgment, our previous experiences in past Governments.
We cannot let our emotive judgments outweigh the real facts anymore.
Having said earlier that you have hardly been out of work, nor needed to claim state benefits I am wondering these past hardships might have been.
The six and seven figure bonuses were of course in full flow under the 1997-2010 allegedly "non-toff" government as were the MPs expenses fiddles, which I recall were not noticeably worse in one party than the other. And my understanding is that the recipients of the bonuses were mostly not "toffs", but what have aptly been described as "barrow boys in suits". If you intend to base judgments on class prejudice, you do need to pick the right targets,No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Having said earlier that you have hardly been out of work, nor needed to claim state benefits I am wondering these past hardships might have been.
The six and seven figure bonuses were of course in full flow under the 1997-2010 allegedly "non-toff" government. And my understanding is that the recipients were mostly not "toffs", but what have aptly been described as "barrow boys in suits". If you intend to base judgments on class prejudice, you do need to pick the right targets,
My hardships were at a time that I was paying a very high interest rate for my very modest dwelling house due to the interest rate having risen to around 18% I think it was, so our family were struggling to make ends meet, we could if we wanted made a claim and probably got benefit of a kind, but that is not our way I'm afraid. So maybe we were at fault I will let others be the judge. some of the jobs I did did, between jobs, did not give good pay and sometimes it would be more money in my pocket if I stayed at home.
There are so many targets out there that would be difficult for someone like you to identify them then come from all walks of life. And there always will be a class distinction thats the nature of the beast I'm afraid. I can say that i do not envy them at all.0 -
My hardships were at a time that I was paying a very high interest rate for my very modest dwelling house due to the interest rate having risen to around 18% I think it was, so our family were struggling to make ends meet, we could if we wanted made a claim and probably got benefit of a kind, but that is not our way I'm afraid. So maybe we were at fault I will let others be the judge. some of the jobs I did did, between jobs, did not give good pay and sometimes it would be more money in my pocket if I stayed at home.
There are so many targets out there that would be difficult for someone like you to identify them then come from all walks of life. And there always will be a class distinction thats the nature of the beast I'm afraid. I can say that i do not envy them at all.
Only can you can know how much of that was due to government policy and how much due to your personal situation and other factors unrelated to who was in power.
You don't envy the perceived upper classes, but you resent seeing any of them in government so as to vote against them on principle no matter what .... hmmmm.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Only can you can know how much of that was due to government policy and how much due to your personal situation and other factors unrelated to who was in power.
You don't envy the perceived upper classes, but you resent seeing any of them in government so as to vote against them on principle no matter what .... hmmmm.
George I can see we are only going to agree to disagree and I can only put my case forward as it happened and tell it as I see it as you are entitled to do.
Many of us in the country cannot understand the full contents of policies that are put before us by Governments as they are not easily understood their full content, only accept them for what they are and try to believe in them and hope that they are going to be in the countries interest. Then in this past five years there have been disclosures of corruption within the parties that have never been seen before.
I can only say that I enjoy most of your posts and will continue to do so in the future.0
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