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Should Cameron Bottle The TV Election Debates 2015? Clegg & Miliband Seem Up For It
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presumably eu speech will no longer be abroad? too much risk of entourage getting stranded en route due to snow/ice ?0
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Haven't really followed this thread, but I'd love to see Ed's answer on how he would sort out the deficit, given that he's come out against every single deficit reduction measure brought forward by the government.
He cannot be credible without a coherent answer to this.
He's in opposition - he doesn't need a plan.
The opposition oppose - it's their job to force the government to account and justify the decisions they make. This is the way politics has worked in the UK for a couple of centuries. It's not a difficult concept - the Conservatives were doing the same thing just a few years ago.
The poll standings are interesting - it's not the effectiveness of the labour opposition that explains the poll leads (you have to go back to the early days of the Blair/ Brown government to find a more ineffectual opposition) so the government are either not explaining their policies very well or their policies aren't seen as credible.
On this forum it's often expressed that it's because people are stupid and easily swayed by the leftie press etc. etc. The worry for the government is that stupid people vote so they need to become much more coherent.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »I think they should work together to sort the problems out but isn't the point of being in opposition to oppose?
He may have some good ideas but don't the "rules of politics" mean that he would be daft to show his hand?
Didn't labour have an historic plan to halve the deficit over the then next parliament?
Expecting them to work together in the national interest would be like expecting the managers of Aston Villa and Stoke City to work together to produce an entertaining match.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
I think that the 'bottom line' is why do certain posters keep criticising Labour for not having an answer to the economic problem when they do not have one themselves.
If Labour revealed their plans the Conservatives would use their ideas under a different title and claim that it was all their idea.
It just like blaming someone else for something that is your responsability to fix. What must be remembered Labour are not in Government.
The economic problem is the deficit and the public debt. The coalition does have a plan for that which it is trying to implement. Too many people think that the key economic problem is flat GDP -- aided and abetted by Labour and left wing propaganda. That is not a problem, it's an inconvenience. The consequences of a few years of flat GDP are much, much less than those of the country falling into a totally unsustainable debt spiral. It is baffling why so many people think that it is a God-given right to be better off year in year out, without doing any more for it.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Expecting them to work together in the national interest would be like expecting the managers of Aston Villa and Stoke City to work together to produce an entertaining match.
It would be better than the Chuckle Brothers "me to you" scenario we have at present which has done little or nothing in the last 30/40 years to arrest our decline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGZU61k1ibw"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »It's pity that so many people in deciding how to vote are swayed by impression and image, rather than what parties actually do when they get into office, and how they leave things when they go out. The Clegg 'bounce' after the first 2010 TV debate shows how depressingly powerful this effect is, and how shallow so many people are.
But the LibDems ended up losing seats overall, so arguably the TV debates weren't as influential as everyone likes to think. The political press love them, but I think your average voter isn't that bothered.They are an EYESORES!!!!0 -
Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »But the LibDems ended up losing seats overall, so arguably the TV debates weren't as influential as everyone likes to think. The political press love them, but I think your average voter isn't that bothered.
The Lib Dems ended up more or less where they started before the campaign in % terms. But if the election had been held a day or two after that broadcast who knows.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
He's in opposition - he doesn't need a plan.
The opposition oppose - it's their job to force the government to account and justify the decisions they make. This is the way politics has worked in the UK for a couple of centuries. It's not a difficult concept - the Conservatives were doing the same thing just a few years ago.
The poll standings are interesting - it's not the effectiveness of the labour opposition that explains the poll leads (you have to go back to the early days of the Blair/ Brown government to find a more ineffectual opposition) so the government are either not explaining their policies very well or their policies aren't seen as credible.
On this forum it's often expressed that it's because people are stupid and easily swayed by the leftie press etc. etc. The worry for the government is that stupid people vote so they need to become much more coherent.
There in lies the problem. This is why so many folks are disillusioned with politics. Labour in particular spent to much and now they are against every single deficit reduction measure the government has taken.
The deficit is the biggest issue facing the UK and its just fantasy to say that Ed^2 can be credible without a plan.0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »It is baffling why so many people think that it is a God-given right to be better off year in year out, without doing any more for it.
I think this is why people like myself who have had hardly been out of work all these years and has tried to be a family man without having to claim benefit and live off the state, should have to sit and listen to people like David Cameron saying that we are all in it together, this man has no conception of what many of us in Civvy Street have to contend with, if he was able to communicate with this section of society he would reap the benefits.
Yesterday I saw this same man making comment about the horrors that the captive Britain's and others endured during the oilfield crisis and the dreadful outcome that followed. He spoke with a compassion that I have never seen him do before and I was duly impressed, so he can when he is by himself be a completely different person and appear to have feelings. Maybe he should change his Spin Doctors.;)0 -
There in lies the problem. This is why so many folks are disillusioned with politics. Labour in particular spent to much and now they are against every single deficit reduction measure the government has taken.
The deficit is the biggest issue facing the UK and its just fantasy to say that Ed^2 can be credible without a plan.
Labour spent too much but GO wanted to match them apparently.
The Conservatives sought last night to destroy Labour claims that they would cut public services by issuing a formal pledge to match Gordon Brown’s spending plans.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562023/Tories-vow-to-match-Labour-spending.html#"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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