Norfolk Parking Enforcement

Stroma

You mean a matryoshka doll of course but a good description of the scam nonetheless

edward123

johnj60 wrote: »

Just got myself one, been kind of looking forward to it in a strange way as I'm fully aware of lack of validity of such tickets. I think the guy its in the Pub drinking whilst watching the CCTV as he is not present on the car park.

NPE also operate on the road off the exit of the car park where the three small shops are and so at times the man in the high vis jacket is over there too at times.

norwichred

They also operate on Norwich City Football Club. I got charged £100 today for parking on Norwich City Football Club land, even though I was outside their boundary!

Coupon-mad

norwichred wrote: »

They also operate on Norwich City Football Club. I got charged £100 today for parking on Norwich City Football Club land, even though I was outside their boundary!

Yep but you didn't get charged though did you, because you are not going to pay this scam.

Like all the other posters on this board, you are just the proud owner of a fake PCN, a misleading invoice. A piece of rubbish, as are the threatogram letters that follow it.

The whole scam of fake PCNs relies firstly on people's ignorance of the fact that a random private company can't fine anyone, and secondly on their natural fear of parking tickets and the escalating costs/bailiff scenario. So PPCs copy the look of a real parking ticket and - hey presto! - the cash rolls in from victims who know no better.

This is not a penalty at all. It's rubbish, there are no bailiffs letters, just debt collector standard template threatograms (all hot air, we can tell you this for certain).

Tick off the threatening letters as you get them, here.

If you get any 'new' letter for NPE please send a pic of it (suitably redacted to make it anonymous) to Crabman who is the thread starter of the letter-chains thread.

Watchdog clip with expert Solicitor's opinion here.

Barrister's opinion on a legal Q&A website here.

Recent Auto Express article here.

The letters are actually quite funny when they arrive at the address of someone who knows it's all hogwash and not a real parking ticket at all.

My 18 year old niece has EIGHT fake PCNs so far and laughs & texts me every time she gets one. She is just a new driver, a teenager, and she knows this is all a con like a series of phishing emails.

I would happily collect more fake PCNs than the 2 that I already have for Supermarket overstays (more than an hour overstays, both times when shopping at busy times). Plus I have a nice collection of amusing/alarmist debt collector letters which I carry in my handbag to show friends & colleagues if the subject crops up! :rotfl:

johndaye

Hello all.

As the OP of this thread I hope it is ok to bring it back to life after over 2 months.

As promised in my last post here is the latest from NPE.

The first link is the original ticket and the second the first letter. Both links are new user versions so please add the http bit at the start.

Ticket:
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Formal Demand:
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It says in the letter that if I complete the driver declaration I can appeal against the charge. Does that mean on refusal of my appeal they would send me a POPLA code and I could then go down that route. I only ask as there has been some talk on the forum about that being the preferable route now as opposed to ignore all from day 1.

As before, anything else received will be posted.

Regards

JD

Coupon-mad

First link, ticket from Norfolk Parking Enforcement

Second link 'Formal Demand'

Can't think that the ticket followed (after how many days?!) by that 'Formal Demand' ticks all the boxes to get 'keeper liability':

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/keeper-liability/

Have a read of that link and spot the errors and missed deadlines. If there are quite a few breaches then appeal it as the registered keeper (NOT saying who was driving, NOT talking about what happened that day). And one of your many points will be that they have failed to comply with the requirements for 'registered keeper liability'.

Here's a template legal challenge as suggested on the Parking Cowboys website:

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/appeal-letter/

Do not copy any template verbatim, but that's just to show you how to write a full appeal without naming the driver at all nor giving any info away nor making any admissions of course. You can see it's full of demands and points for them to answer before POPLA, not your usual 'appeal' at all. They'll fail to answer the points, and you should win at POPLA in due course, if you come back again for more guidance if this bunch cough up a POPLA code! A POPLA appeal has even more than that...

nigelbb

Exactly when these notices were received is important. Under the POFA 2012 if a Notice To Driver is left on the car then a Notice To Keeper can only be sent not less than 28 days nor more than 56 days after that date. If they are outside the 56 days for the NTK then they have forfeited any right to pursue the keeper & are back to having to pursue the driver for this alleged charge as in pre-POFA 2012 days prior to the 1st October 2012.

photome

norwichred wrote: »

They also operate on Norwich City Football Club. I got charged £100 today for parking on Norwich City Football Club land, even though I was outside their boundary!

You are lucky I got clamped on the same land by NTC (guessing may be the same company) a while back before clamping was illegal, it cost me £125 to get them to take it off....scumbags

johndaye

Coupon-mad, nigelbb.

Thank you for your replies.

The time between charge notice and Formal Demand is over 130 days!!

As I understand, bearing in mind the 56 day rule, you are both saying that NPE have shot themselves in the foot. If so should I just continue ignoring as there is now no case to answer or as CM says appeal, get a POPLA and take that course of action.

Regards

JD

Coupon-mad

Yep!

If you decide to ignore it from now on, then do not waver from that even when you get threatograms from debt collectors. Just make sure you keep all the letters in a file for a few years (6 years!) just in case these idiots ever tried an actual small claim (you are more likely to win a fortune on the lottery!). But of course, with your paperwork and a reasoned argument you'd have the same sort of points to make in defence of this rubbish as you could make sooner, to POPLA, who can cancel it.

If you decide to appeal then you'll need further advice when you get the rejection letter and POPLA code, to make sure all bases are covered in terms of points that POPLA should accept from you, to uphold your appeal.