gap between classing dates and interview.

studentphil

melancholly wrote: »

it doesn't make anyone feel better, it's just frustrating to listen to - so much of it could be avoided with a change in your attitude; if you took control of the situation rather than sat back as a victim of your own choices! people have tried (and continue to try) to help you but nothing makes a difference.

If I had dropped out in the first year then I would have avoided all this, true!!

amyb_2

studentphil wrote: »

My choice of degree will give me the handicap of a 2:2 for everyday of the rest of my life, so I think I will suffer loads from my choice of course.

But thats life and you've gotta deal with it - grumbling won't change owt. You just need to make every other part of you so fantastically employable your 2:2 pales into insinificance.

BTW; I only got a third and i've got a great job. I knew the industry i wanted to work in and got any job i could and worked my way up.

Savvy_Sue

brazilianwax wrote: »

WHAT?????

There are LOADS of trade unions, and they are very prevalent in the public sector.

And with all the mergers I reckon there will be MORE jobs not fewer in the immediate future ...

DS3's landed himself some work experience in a local branch union office. I think he's going to hate doing admin and working on membership systems. He wants to put 'the system' to rights, and thinks he's a communist - well that's going to go down well!

Do I care? Nope. Working in an office is sometimes the most boring thing in the world. Will it do him good? Yes.

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

For example, if it says that you need to be able to prioritise, show them how you have done that in your University work.

:rotfl: Could be hard ...

studentphil wrote: »

I do not have 20 years though as my parents will most likely be dead before I am 40 and if I am going to be able to afford to get them all the things I want and to make them proud of me I need to do it soon.

I suppose that is my biggest worry that if all my friends have fab careers straight out of uni that it will disappoint my parents if I don't.

I think we've said this before as well - if you're only doing this so as not to disappoint your parents, forget it. Do it for yourself. For some parents, nothing we do will ever be good enough - I hope yours aren't like that. For other parents, nothing we do will ever disappoint them.

When DS1 was 11 or so, his burning ambition was to manage a branch of Games Workshop. Mercifully he grew out of that, and mercifully they don't recruit under the age of 16. I think he would quickly have been bored out of his skull, but if he'd decided to pursue it, he'd have done so with my blessing, and I'd have encouraged him to be the best manager GW had ever had.

Now he's in 2nd year at Uni, and has no idea what he's going to do. Am I less proud of him now? Nope. My mum asked him what he was going to do post Uni, and he said "Panic?"

Would I love him less if he dropped out now? Nope. If he changed course now? Nope. If he failed his finals? Nope. I'd just prod him in the backside - you know about Harold comforting his troops in the Bayeux tapestry? - until he worked out what to do next. Meanwhile he could get the most menial job in the world, as long as he tried to get a job!

Would I love him less if he developed severe depression and had to drop out of Uni or couldn't work? Or even a breakdown? Nope, I'd probably love him more. Of course I'd worry, for all the good that would do me.

Now, either your parents feel the same way about you, in which case it doesn't matter what job you get. Or they don't, in which case it doesn't matter either, because you'll never be able to please them. Do you get it yet? It doesn't matter what your parents think! It's all in your head!

Savvy_Sue

studentphil wrote: »

If it makes you feel better I have suffered everyday and I might well suffer everyday in my career for my choice of course.

Only if you CHOOSE to suffer. And if you CHOOSE to suffer, please keep quiet about it.

DH has a 3rd, in Maths with Philosophy, he knew he wouldn't fail because they wouldn't have wanted him re-sitting the year but I think it was close. After a range of other jobs (selling books, programming computers), he now manages a small charity and is currently studying for an MPhil.

I have a 2:2 in Theology, which is hardly more useful than Philosophy for office work. I started crying in October of my final year, and spent most of the rest of the year in tears with deep depression, convinced I was going to crack up in my exams. It didn't help that 'all' my friends seemed to know what they were doing next: librarianship, teacher training, going to work in a bank :eek:, getting married ... I'm now administrator for another small charity and possibly the most important person in the office - I know they miss me when I'm not there!

So don't try to tell me that anything less than a 2:1 wrecks your career choices. Only you can do that.

Oh, and get the book Ts_Aly recommends. It's superb.

studentphil

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

And with all the mergers I reckon there will be MORE jobs not fewer in the immediate future ...

DS3's landed himself some work experience in a local branch union office. I think he's going to hate doing admin and working on membership systems. He wants to put 'the system' to rights, and thinks he's a communist - well that's going to go down well!

Do I care? Nope. Working in an office is sometimes the most boring thing in the world. Will it do him good? Yes.

:rotfl: Could be hard ...

I think we've said this before as well - if you're only doing this so as not to disappoint your parents, forget it. Do it for yourself. For some parents, nothing we do will ever be good enough - I hope yours aren't like that. For other parents, nothing we do will ever disappoint them.

When DS1 was 11 or so, his burning ambition was to manage a branch of Games Workshop. Mercifully he grew out of that, and mercifully they don't recruit under the age of 16. I think he would quickly have been bored out of his skull, but if he'd decided to pursue it, he'd have done so with my blessing, and I'd have encouraged him to be the best manager GW had ever had.

Now he's in 2nd year at Uni, and has no idea what he's going to do. Am I less proud of him now? Nope. My mum asked him what he was going to do post Uni, and he said "Panic?"

Would I love him less if he dropped out now? Nope. If he changed course now? Nope. If he failed his finals? Nope. I'd just prod him in the backside - you know about Harold comforting his troops in the Bayeux tapestry? - until he worked out what to do next. Meanwhile he could get the most menial job in the world, as long as he tried to get a job!

Would I love him less if he developed severe depression and had to drop out of Uni or couldn't work? Or even a breakdown? Nope, I'd probably love him more. Of course I'd worry, for all the good that would do me.

Now, either your parents feel the same way about you, in which case it doesn't matter what job you get. Or they don't, in which case it doesn't matter either, because you'll never be able to please them. Do you get it yet? It doesn't matter what your parents think! It's all in your head!

I am not sure, my parents would highly disapprove if I failed or dropped out I am certain of that. Maybe I can never live upto their expectations as you say.

I am just a complex person and to come from bottom of the class to be top then to get a 2:2 and to have a worse career (and degree class) than them comfirms that they what they always thought of me as useless as being correct. That said it takes a far greater mind to do philosophy than the courses some of them have done, so what ever class they get I have proved myself as more.

studentphil

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Only if you CHOOSE to suffer. And if you CHOOSE to suffer, please keep quiet about it.

DH has a 3rd, in Maths with Philosophy, he knew he wouldn't fail because they wouldn't have wanted him re-sitting the year but I think it was close. After a range of other jobs (selling books, programming computers), he now manages a small charity and is currently studying for an MPhil.

I have a 2:2 in Theology, which is hardly more useful than Philosophy for office work. I started crying in October of my final year, and spent most of the rest of the year in tears with deep depression, convinced I was going to crack up in my exams. It didn't help that 'all' my friends seemed to know what they were doing next: librarianship, teacher training, going to work in a bank :eek:, getting married ... I'm now administrator for another small charity and possibly the most important person in the office - I know they miss me when I'm not there!

So don't try to tell me that anything less than a 2:1 wrecks your career choices. Only you can do that.

Oh, and get the book Ts_Aly recommends. It's superb.

I will look at that book.

I myself see nothing bad in a 2:2 and I am proud of it and I know I am intelligent but it is just that employers and other students poo poo a 2:2. But why I listen to it I don't know, lack of courage of convictions I guess.

studentphil

ts_aly2000 wrote: »

Don't just look at it. It's all that matters right now.

I hope to be a new person soon. In fact, now I have got all the negative rubbish out of my mind, I feel really positive.

Savvy_Sue

I can make no sense of the second paragraph of your previous post, but since you're starting revision in earnest later today it's time you were in bed (and me too, because I have to go to work tomorrow! Edited to say that's now NOT the previous post, but your previous post before the one above this one, IYSWIM. I can still count to two ...

studentphil wrote: »

I myself see nothing bad in a 2:2 and I am proud of it and I know I am intelligent but it is just that employers and other students poo poo a 2:2.

SOME employers may, but I suspect they're in the minority. And SOME other students may poo poo a 2:2, but percentage wise, who's in the majority, graduates with a 2:1 or above, or other graduates? Heck, please tell me graduates are still a minority of the population as a whole, I'd like to think my lowly 2:2 was still worth something after all these years! :rotfl:

studentphil wrote: »

But why I listen to it I don't know, lack of courage of convictions I guess.

I've just worked out what the problem is: you hear voices! :rotfl: 'They' are out to get you because 'they' won't offer you a job; 'they' won't help you with your degree course because 'they' all say it's someone else's job; 'they' are all getting better jobs earning pots of money straight from Uni; 'they' will all look down on you because you can't get a better result than a 2:2; 'they' won't love you any more if you're not a success.

Read the book, change the record ... and yes, change is possible - DH was the most obnoxious person in the world at 19, my sister practically wet herself laughing at the idea I might go out with him (and I wouldn't have entertained it myself at that stage!) And now here we are ... actually he's in bed and I'm not, so I'm going to be rather unpopular in a minute when my freezing cold feet join him ... :rotfl:

studentphil

I am going to be more positive from now on

Night all!!

Sleep well!!

lynzpower

I myself see nothing bad in a 2:2 and I am proud of it and I know I am intelligent but it is just that employers and other students poo poo a 2:2. But why I listen to it I don't know, lack of courage of convictions I guess.

no they dont Phil .

Ive got a 2.2- and Ive had a really interesting and varied career so far.

I have walked out of one job last wednesday and got a new one a week later. I have worked as a administrator, a research consultant, in a call centre, in a bar, as a social worker, and as an estate agent, as a manager in a supermarket.

What employers look down on is
a) lack of get up and go
b) lack of practical skills with no discernable reason for it
c) moaning, groaning and lack of taking responsibility for your own destiny

you have yourself stated that you only want to work in a uni as its the only place that does good work ( crap) and because someone somewhere has a robe :rolleyes: and there is pomp.

Companies & orgs dont owe you a living. If you want to work in an office, and you have no office skills, I suggest you find somewhere to get them. You applied for a job that required office experience- you didnt get an interview. What a surprise that is. I wouldnt apply for a job as a surgeon - I dont have the relevant skills.

I spent a good year after I fininshed uni working on my skill base, selling bloody clothes pegs or washing cars will give you something to put on your CV, after all if you havent worked at all, whats on your CV? Youd be up against people like me, who by the end of my uni career had
*set up a uni society & ran it organisational & marketing skills/ negotiating prices/ exuecution of trips & parties etc
*worked in a bar - cash handling/ customer service/ stocktakes/ organising promotions & parties
*worked in a call centre or 2, dealing with customers/ using databases inputting & retrieving data/ resolving complaints/ time management/ working to targets
*managed a team in supermarkets- line management/ stock control/ admin/ minimising wastage/ managing a team & undertaking rotas

All of these jobs, I obviously didnt love them or else Id still be doing them now, but over the months, you want new challenges- and you move on. and work up.

If you dont understand this at the end of a 3 year course, whats the point in having the course? you want to work in admin- but have no experience. SO GET IT and stop moaning you dont have it.

IF you want something to take your mind off your miserable studies, I suggest doing one morning a week volunteering- at the very least you will have something on your CV to write about. Stop wasting time on here and start doing it- I suggest getting off your bum & mse and going to https://www.do-it.org and finding something-anything- to skill up on and pronto, otherwise youll be sat on the dole forever, posting on MSE about how life is passing you by and youve not achieved what you wanted to.