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  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    BertieUK wrote: »

    Then you created an unemplyment figure that we had never seen before and fell from grace like a ton of bricks.



    Britain was known as the sick man of Europe in the late 70's as Labour supported uncompetetive working practices and industries from which the world did not wish to buy.

    Tories had to yet again clean up a Labour mess and by the mid 80's we were back on track.


    You mistake hard times for having the courage to stop showering people with borrowed money and rafts of entitlments.
    It's the politics of the cowardly to simply shower people with cash and entitlments.


    You blame Thatch for the natural temporary high unemployment that inevitably resulted from the necessary reforms, yet not once do you pause to wonder why the unions did not buy up all those pits and plants, WHICH THEY CLAIMED WERE VIABLE.


    I view such an outlook as peculiarly childish in that holders of such a world view throw hissy fits unless they get access to a vast array of entitlments that the rest of the world could never expect.

    Time for your lot to a long last understand your greedy entitlment culture has come to an end.
  • BertieUK
    BertieUK Posts: 1,701 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    Britain was known as the sick man of Europe in the late 70's as Labour supported uncompetetive working practices and industries from which the world did not wish to buy.

    Tories had to yet again clean up a Labour mess and by the mid 80's we were back on track.


    You mistake hard times for having the courage to stop showering people with borrowed money and rafts of entitlments.
    It's the politics of the cowardly to simply shower people with cash and entitlments.


    You blame Thatch for the natural temporary high unemployment that inevitably resulted from the necessary reforms, yet not once do you pause to wonder why the unions did not buy up all those pits and plants, WHICH THEY CLAIMED WERE VIABLE.


    I view such an outlook as peculiarly childish in that holders of such a world view throw hissy fits unless they get access to a vast array of entitlments that the rest of the world could never expect.

    Time for your lot to a long last understand your greedy entitlment culture has come to an end.


    What a load of whaffle - You sound like David Cameron during Prime Ministers question time, just cannot find a way out of your failed policies. You sound as agitated as we are frustrated with the countries failure to show even the slightest, positive growth.

    There is no doubt that your MPs have done some good somewhere, cannot see it yet, then at the next election you will be reduced to 'rubble' again at the countries cost, try moving foreward instead of standing still, because the lights have to change sometime and to get things moving.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    You mistake hard times for having the courage to stop showering people with borrowed money and rafts of entitlments.
    It's the politics of the cowardly to simply shower people with cash and entitlments.


    Time for your lot to a long last understand your greedy entitlment culture has come to an end.

    Sunday Times Rich List suggests UK's wealthiest defy recession


    Mr Mittal retains top spot despite his company's share price crashing this year


    The UK's richest people have defied the double-dip recession to become even richer over the past year, according to the annual Sunday Times Rich List.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17883101


    But we are all in it together.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Conrad wrote: »
    Tories had to yet again clean up a Labour mess and by the mid 80's we were back on track.

    She was a genius wasn't she?
    Oil revenues - 10% of Tax revenues were coming from oil in early 1980s. Something kept strangely quiet.
    Sale of Council houses
    Proceeds from privatisation
    http://econ.economicshelp.org/2010/02/thatcher-revolution-1980s.html
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »

    In fairness she may have started the process of hiding the true predicament, in selling off the silver, but subsequent governments continued the trend.

    When the silver ran out they then encouraged us all to borrow to keep it covered up too.

    Non have solved the underlying problem.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    BertieUK wrote: »
    What a load of whaffle - You sound like David Cameron during Prime Ministers question time, just cannot find a way out of your failed policies. You sound as agitated as we are frustrated with the countries failure to show even the slightest, positive growth.

    There is no doubt that your MPs have done some good somewhere, cannot see it yet, then at the next election you will be reduced to 'rubble' again at the countries cost, try moving foreward instead of standing still, because the lights have to change sometime and to get things moving.


    Your'e sooo entitled and greedy you cannot see what a relative degree of prosperity we enjoy compared to the Spannish and others.

    We're doing pretty well when you consider the turmoil in much of Europe.

    Our exports to rest of world have never been higher, our private asset wealth is 4 x debt, we have highest employment ever, interent start - ups in London are 3 x that of N York, we're slowly healing the unbalanced economy Labour bequethed us.

    Please open your eyes. Only a fool would admire Labours 13 years where manufacturing was halved in favour of a debt ridden society choc full of public servants. It was always going to go pop.
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    StevieJ wrote: »
    She was a genius wasn't she?


    Oversaw the transition from sick man of Europe to thriving economy.
    Yet again Labour fails us, borrows and spends, and the greedy entitled folk cannot wean themselves off that priveleged highly unstable sand castle.
  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Conrad wrote: »
    Your'e sooo entitled and greedy you cannot see what a relative degree of prosperity we enjoy compared to the Spannish and others.

    We're doing pretty well when you consider the turmoil in much of Europe.

    Our exports to rest of world have never been higher, our private asset wealth is 4 x debt, we have highest employment ever, interent start - ups in London are 3 x that of N York, we're slowly healing the unbalanced economy Labour bequethed us.

    Please open your eyes. Only a fool would admire Labours 13 years where manufacturing was halved in favour of a debt ridden society choc full of public servants. It was always going to go pop.


    Maybe that's because we've been shielded from the full effects of the downturn so far. Irrespective of party in power. There's no easy answers.

    Personally I have little confidence in the current generation of politicians. As few come from a financial background.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    edited 26 November 2012 at 5:20PM
    Conrad wrote: »

    We're doing pretty well when you consider the turmoil in much of Europe.
    .

    in favour of a debt ridden society.... . It was always going to go pop.

    Yes we are doing well compared to a lot of Europe - we are not in the Euro.

    It was always going to go pop whoever had have been in power. I doubt that a Conservative Govt could have stopped the GFC or the urgent necessary action that was taken thereafter.

    The reason the Conservatives have rebalanced the books, is that the city has deflated. I very much doubt they would have turned off the "easy" money, had they been riding the wave, either. We would still have had debt and we would still have had personal debt.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • BertieUK
    BertieUK Posts: 1,701 Forumite
    BertieUK wrote: »
    Now your at it again, it wasna me. If I remember your lot were in for something like 18 years of governing our country, used the wrong word there, and over that time you should have really put the country back on its feet and in a position wherby you should have gained the trust of the people never to lose another election.

    Conrad maybe you could enlighten me as to why you governed for 18 years and ended up in a right mess. You could not say 'It wasna me'
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