Cameron wins German support on EU talks

BertieUK

chewmylegoff wrote: »

So what happens when the electorate do not give any party a majority? Say the electorate was wrong and ask them to reconsider their choice and vote again. Just have election after election eventually there is a parliamentary majority? That's fundamentally undemocratic if you ask me. The electorate chose to give no party a majority - hence the electorate implicity chose to be governed by coalition.


If you are nearly 80, then presumably you remember the lib/lab pact in the 70s? We're you demanding a change to the system then?

I have never really bothered too much about politics in my lifetime as long as the party had a majority to work with and then proove their worth, which I would think that was only a sensible way to Govern, today it shows that it is not working, even I can see that.

Many of the politicians that I admired in my lifetime were Tories with a long standing experience of how to run a country and I always felt comfortable with most of their decisions, so I am not anti-Tory at all. I just voted for commonsence.

Graham_Devon

BertieUK wrote: »

I have never really bothered too much about politics in my lifetime as long as the party had a majority to work with and then proove their worth, which I would think that was only a sensible way to Govern, today it shows that it is not working, even I can see that.

Many of the politicians that I admired in my lifetime were Tories with a long standing experience of how to run a country and I always felt comfortable with most of their decisions, so I am not anti-Tory at all. I just voted for commonsence.

What's not working about it? Is this personal opinion based on your dislike, or is it actually not working?

BertieUK

Graham_Devon wrote: »

What's not working about it? Is this personal opinion based on your dislike, or is it actually not working?

Graham ... I cannot see how two Governments can work together when their policies are so different in many ways. It seems a recipe for an unpleasant meal leaving a strange taste in your mouth. Or there again some might say that we are getting the best of two worlds but this Old Codger cannot see it. Maybe I went to the wrong school.

Maybe when I went through rough times bringing up my family it always appeared that was when the Tories were in power, that has probably rubbed off on me through the years.

regards
Bob

Thrugelmir

BertieUK wrote: »

I cannot see how two Governments can work together when their policies are so different in many ways.

Given the unique financial circumstances in which we find ourselves. Then a coalition is the best hope for maintaining social stability. Even within parties there is compromise.

BertieUK

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given the unique financial circumstances in which we find ourselves. Then a coalition is the best hope for maintaining social stability. Even within parties there is compromise.

I can see the point that you are making quite clearly, we find ourselves in a very 'unique financial position' as is felt by most of Europe + at the moment, almost like the saying..

...Fools rush in where Angels Fear to Tread

wherby one false move could create a disaster.


regards
Bob

GeorgeHowell

BertieUK wrote: »

Maybe when I went through rough times bringing up my family it always appeared that was when the Tories were in power, that has probably rubbed off on me through the years.

regards
Bob

That's because when Tory governments are in power they are invariably trying to sort out the irresponsible and damaging shambles invariably left by Labour.

BertieUK

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

That's because when Tory governments are in power they are invariably trying to sort out the irresponsible and damaging shambles invariably left by Labour.

This is a typical remark from a typical Tory, you certainly have left your shambles in Government through the decades that I have been alive I can vouch for that.

When like now you have no idea how to resolve a situation, all you can do is to blame others and say .. It wasna me.

Your post certainly says it all...

I don't think any party is going to win any kind of overall majority in the next election. People are so fed up with all the slanging thats going on they'll vote for who they want not the party represented and just hope that who they elect will vote with their consciences for once and not the party line. Could be a good thing. The big parties are too complacent and sure of themselves your comments have proven.

GeorgeHowell

BertieUK wrote: »

This is a typical remark from a typical Tory, you certainly have left your shambles in Government through the decades that I have been alive I can vouch for that.

When like now you have no idea how to resolve a situation, all you can do is to blame others and say .. It wasna me.

Your post certainly says it all...

I don't think any party is going to win any kind of overall majority in the next election. People are so fed up with all the slanging thats going on they'll vote for who they want not the party represented and just hope that who they elect will vote with their consciences for once and not the party line. Could be a good thing. The big parties are too complacent and sure of themselves your comments have proven.

I am sure it is a typical remark from a typical Tory, because clearly only Tory voters realise how damaging Labour is. Labour voters are motivated mainly by one or more of :- self-interest (the client state), class prejudice/victimhood, middle-class/white guilt, and ideology based on the utopian but unachievable ideal of 'fair shares for all'. Labour could not manage a whelk stall and it always runs out of money. Every Labour government has been a failure. Yet some people are regularly seduced by the empty promises of an easy way out, so they get in time and time again, c o c k it all up and then rely on people like you to resent the Conservative's attempts to bring things back to reality and end up putting them in again.

BertieUK

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

I am sure it is a typical remark from a typical Tory, because clearly only Tory voters realise how damaging Labour is. Labour voters are motivated mainly by one or more of :- self-interest (the client state), class prejudice/victimhood, middle-class/white guilt, and ideology based on the utopian but unachievable ideal of 'fair shares for all'. Labour could not manage a whelk stall and it always runs out of money. Every Labour government has been a failure. Yet some people are regularly seduced by the empty promises of an easy way out, so they get in time and time again, c o c k it all up and then rely on people like you to resent the Conservative's attempts to bring things back to reality and end up putting them in again.

Now your at it again, it wasna me. If I remember your lot were in for something like 18 years of governing our country, used the wrong word there, and over that time you should have really put the country back on its feet and in a position wherby you should have gained the trust of the people never to lose another election.

Then you created an unemplyment figure that we had never seen before and fell from grace like a ton of bricks.

People like me 'the working class' do not resent any attempt to bring things back to reality, all we ask for is to keep to your promises and stop telling porky pies.

Now Cameron is thinking which other party he can seek to help him form the next Coalition Government. What a sad thought.

StevieJ

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Every Labour government has been a failure. Yet some people are regularly seduced by the empty promises of an easy way out, so they get in time and time again, c o c k it all up and then rely on people like you to resent the Conservative's attempts to bring things back to reality and end up putting them in again.

Maybe we should look at the facts

Here is the UK balance of payments between 1964 - 1974 that would be Tory - Labour - Tory

Balance of payments 1964 (Tories leave power) -376 1970 (Labour leave power) +579 1974 (Tories leave power) -3500 :eek: