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Cameron wins German support on EU talks
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »But how does that explain for example Alan Sugar being a Labour supporter, and BBC journalists who set up companies to avoid full income tax but almost certainly support Labour ?
what is there to explain ?
I said (with new capitalisation)
MOST people vote for their own self interest at least in part.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Where he's come from and the battles he has fought to achieve what he has.
He's always been a capitalist, starting as a barrow boy or whatever. How on earth can Labour ever have helped him ?. It's down to ingrained class prejudice and "anti-toff-ness" no doubt. Huge numbers of people vote on such bases, without ever really thinking about what would most benefit them in the longer term. Thinking rationally, objectively, and rigorously is one of life's most demanding pursuits, which is why so few people ever do it.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »He's always been a capitalist, starting as a barrow boy or whatever. How on earth can Labour ever have helped him ?. It's down to ingrained class prejudice and "anti-toff-ness" no doubt.
He has been around for along time we could ask what did the Conservatives do to not help him? He prospered despite both parties.
He did come from a poor hard working background and therefore appreciates what it is like to win through. He didn't do it with a silver spoon in his mouth. People talk about champagne charlies in the labour camp there are many more in the conservative camp that simply don't have a clue about life in the real world.
Just because someone is left leaning doesn't mean they are financially inept."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »He has been around for along time we could ask what did the Conservatives do to not help him? He prospered despite both parties.
He did come from a poor hard working background and therefore appreciates what it is like to win through. He didn't do it with a silver spoon in his mouth. People talk about champagne charlies in the labour camp there are many more in the conservative camp that simply don't have a clue about life in the real world.
Just because someone is left leaning doesn't mean they are financially inept.
It seems to me that anyone who makes good in this country and climbs the social ladder making his fortunes by working hard, and being respectful, is expected to join the Tory party. Its like expecting everyone living in Italy to be a Roman Catholic. That is their mentality I'm afraid.0 -
I think that Lord Sugar would like to say a word or two about certain comments that have been made about him...
I keep hearing a lot of hot aircoming out of your mouth, so in the interests of climate change shut up.
Lord Sugar
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Actually he's one of the few intelligent voices on the European debate. Cameron is making enemies in Europe and will see us cut out of any influence in the long term. There is no alliance with Germany. He knows this but is compromised by the right wing headbanging bigots in his own ranks. Its a shame that the rest of us have to suffer because of the internal warfare within the Tory scum!:(How are we doing 'exactly' as instructed? We did the opposite.
It was the supine Douglas Alexander always taking it up the dark one, and then preaching to all that this was the way to remain at the heart of Europe. It amazes me people fall for utter cowardly dimwits like him.0 -
Blair is reported today as saying that maintaining Britain's power and influence depends on remaining in the EU.
This is the knub of the problem. The political class and the establishment is predominantly preoccupied with the idea that the UK has to cling onto the notion of being a major world player, of punching above its weight, of moralising to the rest of the world about what it should and should not be doing. It makes them feel good and feel important.
Most ordinary people are not bothered about this much at all, especially if it comes at huge financial cost and loss of national independence. They want a decent and rising standard of living, good public services that provide reasonable value for money, a safe environment in which to live their lives and bring up their children, and the ability to affect their own destiny to a reasonable extent when they put a vote in a ballot box.
It is the Europhiles who are completely out touch with all of this, not the Eurosceptics.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
What does Blair know about diplomacy? Everything he's done has been entirely for selfish motives.GeorgeHowell wrote: »It is the Europhiles who are completely out touch with all of this, not the Eurosceptics.
The very fact that Barroso and Van Rompuy could seriously present a budget with absolutely no cost savings at all just shows that those two are living on a different planet to the rest of us.0
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